Truss problem with counter members

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The discussion revolves around a truss problem involving counter members, specifically focusing on the identification of member CD as a zero force member. Participants explore the implications of this classification and the analysis of forces within the truss structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to use the method of sections to analyze the truss but encounters difficulties due to having four unknowns.
  • Another participant explains that the absence of joints at the centers of diagonal members indicates a pin-jointed structure, which restricts force directions to those along the members.
  • It is noted that member CD is considered a zero force member, with a participant questioning the reasoning behind this classification.
  • A later reply suggests that if member AC is removed, the truss does not collapse, indicating that CD is redundant and does not contribute to structural integrity.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that if the counters are elastic, they may prevent deformation under certain loads, suggesting that CD and DG could be necessary under specific conditions, such as extreme weather events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of member CD, with some agreeing on its classification as a zero force member while others argue that it may serve a purpose under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of CD in various loading scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of understanding the conditions under which members may be considered redundant, highlighting the dependence on specific loading situations and structural behavior.

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Homework Statement
the diagonal members in the center panels of the truss shown are very slender and can act only in tension; such members are known as counters. determine the force in member de and in the counters that are acting under the given loading.
Relevant Equations
3 reaction equation.
Since the question only asked for one member, I was trying to solve it using method of section. I cut in the middle of BD. I was unable to solve it because it has 4 unknown. Then I looked at the solution, it say that CD is zero force member. I don’t understand why CD is zero force member. Could anyone explain what makes CD a zero force member.

Many thanks for your time answering my question.
 

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This is the FBD I drew
 

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First note that there are no joints at the centres of the diagonal members so this is a simply pin jointed structure which means that all forces can only be in the direction of the members.

Your calculation of the reaction forces by taking moments is correct - reaction at A is 12 and at H is 15.

Simple trusses can easily be analysed by looking at a single point and calculating its forces.

Look at point A and sum the forces. There is a vertical force of 12 up at A, a force applied by the link AB and a force applied by the link AC. Equate the horizontal and vertical components to calculate the link forces. You now have the magnitude and direction of forces in members AB and AC. These forces are applied to the pivots B and C.

Now sum the forces in triangle ABC to get the force in BC.

Continue in this manner until you have calculated the forces in all members.

Why is CD a zero force member?

Take AC away - does the truss collapse? Why?

Now take CD away instead - does the truss collapse? Do you see the difference? CD is redundant - you only need triangles in a truss. If you can take a member away and the truss does not collapse that member is redundant.

Google analyse truss for lots of help.
 
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mingyz0403 said:
... I don’t understand why CD is zero force member. Could anyone explain what makes CD a zero force member.
The above post is excellent.
Imagine that the counters are elastic and can stretch some.
Due to the shown loads, member DE will naturally tend to get lower than members BC and FG.
That will impose tension loads for counters BE and EF, which will keep member DE from relocating itself lower and deforming rectangles DBCE and DFGE.
Counters CD and DG are doing nothing to restraing member DE in place and could be removed with no consequences.

In actual metal structures, that cross-crossing setup for counters is common, since direction of accidental loads is not always as foreseen.
If we imagine that the truss of our problem is a bridge, hurricane or tornado winds could eventually create lifting loads stronger than the shown loads, which could be able to try to lift member DE respect to the other, possibly causing damage to the road.
In such event, the normally unloaded counters CD and DG will work under tension loads, preventing any deformation of the structure and damage of the road.

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