Try to make a vapor fuel supply system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design of a vapor fuel supply system for a gasoline engine, specifically focusing on methods to achieve fuel vaporization before it enters the engine cylinder. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of ultrasonic misters, heating methods, and modifications to existing fuel injection systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an ultrasonic mister for vaporization but expresses concern about the risk of sparks and explosions.
  • Another participant notes that fuel vaporization occurs automatically when the fuel contacts the piston face, which is above the vaporization temperature of gasoline.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for fuel to be in a vapor state before entering the cylinder, indicating a desire for pre-vaporization methods.
  • One suggestion involves running insulated copper wires between the exhaust and intake manifolds to heat the intake pipes, potentially achieving temperatures above the boiling point of gasoline.
  • Another participant proposes moving the fuel injector further upstream to allow for better vaporization, although they acknowledge that this may depend on the specific engine setup.
  • A participant mentions their engine is a 3.2L V6 Isuzu fuel-injected motor and expresses a desire for a solution that operates independently of the existing fuel injection system.
  • Concerns are raised about the concept of vapor in fuel lines, referred to as "vapor lock," which is typically undesirable, suggesting that pre-heating intake air might be a safer alternative.
  • One participant suggests using an old school stove pipe connected to the exhaust to heat the air stream effectively.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the proposed system, asking if it aims to solve a specific problem or improve the existing fuel system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and safety of various vaporization methods, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some participants highlight potential risks associated with vaporization, while others focus on technical modifications to achieve it.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific temperature thresholds and engine configurations, indicating that the discussion is influenced by individual engine characteristics and operational conditions. There are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness and safety of the proposed methods.

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What would be the most basic and solid way of doing this for a gasoline engine? I've thought about using a ultrasonic mister but I am afraid that there may be a potential for a spark, don't want to blow up. I've also tossed around the idea of heating the fuel to its evaporation temps, but not sure what the simplest way would be to do this. Any ideas?
 
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It happens automatically when the fuel hits the piston face which is much above the vaporization temp of gasoline.
 
I understand that, however I need it in a vapor state before entering the cylinder.
 
Run some insulated copper wires between the exhaust and intake manifolds. Should heat the intake pipes beyond 95C or wherever the boiling point of gasoline is at that pressure (less than 1atm because it is throttled).

Also you can move the fuel injector further upstream if it is too close to the intake port, to give it a chance to vaporize. I don't know what engine you have so this might not be necessary.
 
Its a 3.2L v6 isuzu fuel injected motor. I was thinking something a little more independent of the already existing fuel injection system. To my knowledge there's not enough room in the area to move the injectors.
 
What are you trying to achieve by this?

Usually vapor in the fuel lines is called a "vapor lock" and is not a good thing to have.

If you are bothered about starting in very cold conditions or something like that, pre-heating the intake air would be a better and safer idea.
 
Run an old school stove pipe off your exhaust into the air stream it will heat it up nicely.
 
Qaiphyx said:
Its a 3.2L v6 isuzu fuel injected motor. I was thinking something a little more independent of the already existing fuel injection system. To my knowledge there's not enough room in the area to move the injectors.

Are you trying to solve some problem or make some improvement? Are you trying to develop a replacement for the existing fuel system or supplement it for some reason?
 

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