Turaev-Viro, Levin-Wen, 3D gravity

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The discussion explores the relationships between the Turaev-Viro (TV) model, Levin-Wen (LW) models, and 3D gravity, focusing on their mathematical frameworks and potential applications in quantum gravity and condensed matter physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Turaev-Viro model is related to 3D Riemannian pure gravity with a positive cosmological constant, referencing various papers.
  • There is a claim that when the cosmological constant is positive, there are no known observables for observers inside the spacetime.
  • One participant describes the Turaev-Viro TQFT as a specific construction of certain (doubled/non-chiral) TQFTs, which takes a unitary tensor category as input.
  • Another participant posits that Levin-Wen models serve as an explicit Hamiltonian formulation of the Turaev-Viro TQFT, potentially leading to models with continuum limits given by doubled Chern-Simons theories.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of these claims, with participants acknowledging their lack of expertise and inviting more knowledgeable contributions.
  • References to the Kirillov and Balsam paper suggest that Levin-Wen models may be microscopic Hamiltonian models of Barrett-Westbury TQFTs, which generalize Turaev-Viro.
  • One participant mentions a paper by Bahr et al. that discusses BF theory with finite gauge groups describing string net models, questioning whether this aligns with the views of Kirillov and Balsam.
  • There is a suggestion that the connections between these models and condensed matter physics are more robust than those related to quantum gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationships between the models, with no consensus reached on the specifics of these relationships or the implications for quantum gravity and condensed matter physics.

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Participants acknowledge potential inaccuracies in their statements and the complexity of the subject matter, indicating that further clarification and expertise are needed.

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atyy said:
Now, what's the relationship between the Turaev-Viro and Levin-Wen models?

Mathematically, a topological quantum field theory (TQFT) is a certain (modular) functor from a category of cobordisms to the category of vector spaces. For example, one can construct such a TQFT for each modular tensor category. I think that Turaev-Viro TQFT is a specific construction of certain (doubled/non-chiral) TQFT's, which takes a unitary (spherical?) tensor category (UTC) as input (for example for any finite group [tex]G[/tex], one can construct the representation category of [tex]G[/tex] with simple objects as irreducible representations).

I think that Levin-Wen models are essentially explicit Hamiltonian formulation of Turaev-Viro TQFT. This can give rise to models, where continuum limits are given by doubled Chern-Simons theories.

I am in no way an expert in this subject, and what I just wrote contains many inaccuracies. But this response might provoke more knowledgeable people to intervene.
 
element4 said:
Mathematically, a topological quantum field theory (TQFT) is a certain (modular) functor from a category of cobordisms to the category of vector spaces. For example, one can construct such a TQFT for each modular tensor category. I think that Turaev-Viro TQFT is a specific construction of certain (doubled/non-chiral) TQFT's, which takes a unitary (spherical?) tensor category (UTC) as input (for example for any finite group [tex]G[/tex], one can construct the representation category of [tex]G[/tex] with simple objects as irreducible representations).

I think that Levin-Wen models are essentially explicit Hamiltonian formulation of Turaev-Viro TQFT. This can give rise to models, where continuum limits are given by doubled Chern-Simons theories.

I am in no way an expert in this subject, and what I just wrote contains many inaccuracies. But this response might provoke more knowledgeable people to intervene.

Thanks! Now reading the Kirillov and Balsam paper I linked above, they seem to think the Levin-Wen models are microscopic Hamiltonian models of Barrett-Westbury TQFTs, which are a generalization from Turaev-Viro. Kirillov and Balsam use your language, which I'm not familiar with. I found another paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.6264 which uses language that is easier for me. Bahr et al say that BF theory with finite gauge group describe string net models. Do you know whether Kirillov and Balsam are saying the same thing as Bahr et al?

It seems the link between these models and condensed matter are much tighter and solid than those for quantum gravity.

So strings are good for condensed matter, and so is LQG :smile:
 
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