Turning the Corner Circular Motion

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The problem involves analyzing a banked curve for a car, focusing on the forces acting on the vehicle as it navigates the curve without sliding. The scenario includes a concrete highway curve of 80m banked at a 16-degree angle, with a specific mass for the car and a known coefficient of static friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the importance of drawing a free body diagram to visualize the forces acting on the car. Questions arise regarding the correct placement of the friction force and the setup of the equations for net forces in both horizontal and vertical directions.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the free body diagram setup, with participants providing insights on the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direction of the friction force and its components, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem, including the specific angle of the bank and the coefficient of friction. There is uncertainty about the correct application of forces and the setup of equations, which remains a point of discussion.

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I am not sure where to start for this problem:
A concrete highway curve of 80m is banked at a 16degree angle. What is the max speed with which a 1600kg rubber-tired car can take this curve without sliding?

I know the static coefficient of friction of rubber on concrete is 1.
I know that the max static friction=coefficient of static friction x normal force.

Please HELP!
 
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Draw a free body diagram for the car on the banked curve. The sum of the forces acting on the car must be horizontal and the magnitude of that net force must be what is making the car travel in a circular path.
 
Step 1: Draw a free body diagram. The easiest way for this problem is to take the reference frame of the car.
 
OlderDan said:
Draw a free body diagram for the car on the banked curve. The sum of the forces acting on the car must be horizontal and the magnitude of that net force must be what is making the car travel in a circular path.

I did this and I have the weight force down and the normal force going northwest, the angle of it equal to 16degrees, and then I think I also have a static friction force, but I'm not sure...do I put this right on the r axis, going left??

so I would have the F(net)in the r direction=nsin(16) + max static frictional force?

and the F(net) in the z direction=ncos(16)-w?

Am I setting this up right?
 
VidaMarie01 said:
I did this and I have the weight force down and the normal force going northwest, the angle of it equal to 16degrees, and then I think I also have a static friction force, but I'm not sure...do I put this right on the r axis, going left??

so I would have the F(net)in the r direction=nsin(16) + max static frictional force?

and the F(net) in the z direction=ncos(16)-w?

Am I setting this up right?
The friction force is parallel to the surface. In this case it helping to keep the car from slipping up the bank, so it is down the the bank. It has horizontal and vertical components, as do the other forces.
 

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