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The discussion revolves around a problem involving three conducting spheres connected by a thin wire, with specific charges and potentials to be determined. The user has calculated the charges on the spheres and confirmed that the potentials v1 and v2 are equal due to the wire connection. There is uncertainty about whether the calculated condition v1 = v2 is valid and how to approach the subsequent questions after the wire is cut. Participants agree that after cutting the wire, the charges on spheres s1 and s2 will remain the same, while the charge on sphere s3 will become zero as it is moved away from the system. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding charge distribution and potential relationships in electrostatics.
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The problem is :The conducting spheres (s1) of radius R and (s2) of radius 2R of the figure shown are connected by a thin wire. The conducting sphere (s3) of radius R is connected to ground. A charge Q is placed on the sphere (s1).

1- Determine the charges Q1,Q2,and Q3 thus distributed on the 3 spheres (s1),(s2) and (s3) respectivly.
2- Determine the respective potentials v1 and v2 on spheres (s1) and (s2).
3- Determine the self capacitance C of the group of spheres (s1) and (s2).
4-determine the coefficient of influence C' between the group of spheres (s1) and (s2) and sphere (s3).
5- The thin wire is now cut at points of contact with the two spheres (s1) and (s2),in moving sphere (s3) (always connected to earth) away from the spheres(s1) and(s2). What wouid then become :
a- The charges on (s1),(s2)and (s3)?
b-The potentials of (s1) and (s2)?

I solved question 1 in this way but I'm not sure about the solution:
1- v1=Q1/4∏εR +Q2/4∏ε(20R) +Q3/4∏ε(40R).
v2=Q1/4∏ε(20R) +Q2/4∏ε(2R) +Q3/4∏ε(20R).
as (s1) and (S2) are connected by a thin wire then:v1=v2...(1)
we can say that Q=Q1+Q2...(2)
v3=Q3/4∏εR +Q2/4∏ε(20R)+Q1/4∏ε(40R)=0...(3)

what I finally get is : Q1=(722/2239)Q, Q2=1517/2239)Q, Q3=-(939/22390)Q

Is condition (1) right ? since in question 2 he asked to determine v1 and v2. (or it is a trick?)

If anybody can help to be sure about my answer and complete the problem.
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Well, you don't have to solve them in the given order, but plugging in the calculated charges to get the potentials is still an additional step.
Maybe in (1) you are allowed to ignore the small contributions to V1 and V2, then you can calculate Q1 and Q2 without the potentials.
 
mfb said:
Well, you don't have to solve them in the given order, but plugging in the calculated charges to get the potentials is still an additional step.
Maybe in (1) you are allowed to ignore the small contributions to V1 and V2, then you can calculate Q1 and Q2 without the potentials.

I didn't get what do you mean, if you can explain more?
 
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Which part was unclear?
 
mfb said:
Maybe in (1) you are allowed to ignore the small contributions to V1 and V2, then you can calculate Q1 and Q2 without the potentials.
I didn't get it.
simply my question is : Is condition (1) true (V1=V2) in my answer to question 1?
 
V1=V2 is true, sure.
 
:smile:ok thanks.
Lets skip now to question 5,do you have any ideas to solve it ?
 
After the wire is cut, the charges on the spheres [...]
 
ok,where is the idea?
 
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That is the idea. What happens to those charges? Do they change?
 
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I think Q1 and Q2 will remain the same and Q3 will be 0 since (s3) is moved away and V3=0.
 
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Right.
 
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