Two dimensional normal distribution

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The discussion revolves around the expectation of the greater of two correlated normally distributed random variables, \(X\) and \(Y\), both with zero means and unit variances. Participants explore mathematical approaches to derive the expectation value, particularly focusing on the correlation coefficient \(r\) and its implications on the integration process involved in the calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the expectation of the greater of \(X\) and \(Y\) can be expressed as \(\sqrt{(1-r)\pi}\), suggesting a need for proof.
  • One participant presents a conditional mean approach, integrating over the region where \(x > y\) and using the joint probability density function.
  • Another participant describes the geometric interpretation of the integration region, suggesting two different methods of integration over the half-plane defined by \(x > y\).
  • A later reply questions the previous methods by emphasizing the correlation between \(X\) and \(Y\) and introduces the multivariate normal distribution's density function, suggesting a change of variables for integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to derive the expectation. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, indicating uncertainty in the integration process and the impact of correlation.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the correlation coefficient \(r\) and the assumptions regarding the joint distribution of \(X\) and \(Y\). The integration steps and transformations proposed are not fully resolved, leaving open questions about their validity.

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If $$( X,Y )$$ has the normal distributions in two dimensions with zero means and unit variances and the correlation coefficient $$ r$$, then how to prove that the expectation of the greater of $$X$$ and $$Y$$ is $$\sqrt{(1-r)\pi}$$?
 
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suvadip said:
If $$( X,Y )$$ has the normal distributions in two dimensions with zero means and unit variances and the correlation coefficient $$ r$$, then how to prove that the expectation of the greater of $$X$$ and $$Y$$ is $$\sqrt{(1-r)\pi}$$?

Without loss of generality suppose $X=x>y$ then the conditional mean for $x$ is:

$\displaystyle \overline{X}_y=\int_{x=y}^{\infty} x p(x|y)\, dx$

So:

$\displaystyle \overline{X}=\int_{y=-\infty}^{\infty} \overline{X}_y p(y)\, dy=\int_{y=-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{x=y}^{\infty} x p(x|y)p(y)\, dxdy =\int_{y=-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{x=y}^{\infty} x p(x,y)\, dx dy$

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Geometrically, y= x is a line through the origin. x> y is the half-plane to the right. Given that x> y we want to integrate over that half plane. We can, like zzephod, say that taking y from -\infty to \infty and, for each y, x from y to \infty:
\overline{X}= \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty\int_y^\infty xe^{-(x^2+ y^2}dxdy.

Or you can take x from -\infty to \infty and y from -\infty to x: \overline{Y}= \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty\int_{-\infty}^x ye^{-x^2+ y^2}dy dx.
 
suvadip said:
If $$( X,Y )$$ has the normal distributions in two dimensions with zero means and unit variances and the correlation coefficient $$ r$$, then how to prove that the expectation of the greater of $$X$$ and $$Y$$ is $$\sqrt{(1-r)\pi}$$?
I am not a statistician, so I may be misunderstanding something here. But it seems to me that the previous two comments overlook the fact that $X$ and $Y$ are supposed to be correlated, with correlation coefficient $r$. According to Multivariate normal distribution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the density function in that case is given by $f(x,y) = \frac1{2\pi\sqrt{1-r^2}}\exp\bigl(-\frac12[x\:\:y]\Sigma^{-1}\bigl[{x\atop y}\bigr]\bigr)$, where $\Sigma$ is the correlation matrix $\Sigma = \begin{bmatrix}1&r \\r&1 \end{bmatrix}.$ Then $\Sigma^{-1} = \frac1{1-r^2}\begin{bmatrix}1&-r \\-r&1 \end{bmatrix},$ giving $$f(x,y) = \frac1{2\pi\sqrt{1-r^2}}\exp\biggl(\frac{-(x^2 - 2rxy + y^2)}{2(1-r^2)}\biggr).$$ To integrate that over the region $x>y$ I would make the change of variables $u = x+y$, $v = x-y$, using the fact that $$x^2 - 2rxy + y^2 = \tfrac12(1-r)u^2 + \tfrac12(1+r)v^2.$$
 

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