Two questions about the binding energy chart?

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The discussion revolves around the binding energy chart and its implications for nuclear stability, specifically comparing the stability of nickel-62 with iron isotopes and exploring the binding energy of nuclei with fewer nucleons. Participants express confusion about the relationship between binding energy, nucleon count, and nuclear stability.

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  • Some participants question why nickel-62 is considered more stable than iron-58 and iron-56, despite the latter having higher binding energy per nucleon.
  • There is a discussion about the binding energy of nuclei with fewer nucleons, with some participants suggesting that fewer nucleons should lead to higher binding energy due to the dominance of the strong nuclear force.
  • One participant notes that small nuclei have a larger surface area relative to their volume, which may contribute to lower binding energy.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the binding energy values being per nucleon rather than total binding energy.
  • Participants discuss the stability of small nuclei like hydrogen and helium, noting their low radioactivity compared to heavier elements like uranium, and suggest that this is related to their lower nucleon count.
  • There is mention of fusion as a process relevant to small nuclei, contrasting it with the radioactive decay of larger nuclei.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the stability of nickel-62 compared to iron isotopes and the implications of binding energy in small nuclei. Participants express uncertainty and seek clarification on these points, indicating that consensus has not been reached.

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Participants reference the binding energy chart but do not provide a complete understanding of the assumptions or definitions involved, particularly regarding the relationship between nucleon count and binding energy.

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Hello I'm a little confused about the binding energy chart and its relevance to nuclei stability.

1) why is nickel-62 nucleas more stable than iron-58 and iron-56 though they have higher binding energy?

2) Why is binding energy lower in nuclei with least number of nucleons?
correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the less nucleones there is the closer they'd be to the nucleus and therefore the strong nuclear force would be more dominant.
So wouldn't make sense that nuclei with the least number of nucleons to be harder to split apart, and so have a higher binding energy? I guess that's not the case seeing that they have the lowest binding energy in the chart, but why?
 
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By the least number of nucleons elements, I meant H isotopes, HE, Li-6 Li-7...etc
 
In which respect is Ni62 "more stable"?
The iron nuclei might have more binding energy per nucleon, but what about the total binding energy?

2) Why is binding energy lower in nuclei with least number of nucleons?
correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the less nucleones there is the closer they'd be to the nucleus and therefore the strong nuclear force would be more dominant.
The nucleons are always in the nucleus, as the nucleus is made out of all nucleons. Small nuclei have a large surface relative to the volume, that lowers the binding energy.
 
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mfb said:
In which respect is Ni62 "more stable"?
in the sense that its nucleones are more tightly bound, and not being able/not needing to decay I guess? I read somewhere on the Internet that it's the most stable nucleas.

The iron nuclei might have more binding energy per nucleon, but what about the total binding energy?
Oh, so the values presented in the binding energy chart are per nucleon NOT the overall binding energy?

The nucleons are always in the nucleus, as the nucleus is made out of all nucleons. Small nuclei have a large surface relative to the volume, that lowers the binding energy.
um, not sure I got this. So the nucleus is the entire area that holds the nucleones and not simply just the center point? and elements like Li, H, and helium basically have lower binding energy because they have a smaller nucleas?
okay, but despite their lower binding energy, they're still not even closely radioactive as elements such as Uranium. the reason being their low amount of nucleons right?
Thanks for your answer.
 
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Oh, so the values presented in the binding energy chart are per nucleon NOT the overall binding energy?
Right.

um, not sure I got this. So the nucleus is the entire area that holds the nucleones and not simply just the center point? and elements like Li, H, and helium basically have lower binding energy because they have a smaller nucleas?
The nucleus is the whole volume where nucleons are present. This volume depends on the nucleus - in general, the volume is roughly proportional to the number of nucleons.

okay, but despite their lower binding energy, they're still not even closely radioactive as elements such as Uranium. the reason being their low amount of nucleons right?
Thanks for your answer.
Uranium is radioactive as emitting nucleons (-> alpha radiation) brings the remaining nucleus closer towards nickel/iron, towards larger binding energies per nucleon.
The corresponding process for small nuclei would be fusion, not decays. Fusion of small nuclei does indeed release a lot of energy, this is the energy source of stars.
 
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