Two rotating masses attached by a spring

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The problem involves two pucks of mass m connected by a spring, which are set in circular motion and then given a small radial perturbation. The goal is to determine the frequency of the subsequent radial oscillations, utilizing concepts from Lagrangian mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss setting up the Lagrangian for the system and deriving the equations of motion. There is a suggestion to consider different generalized coordinates to simplify the problem. Questions arise regarding the implementation of the initial conditions related to the radial perturbation and the clarity of the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to formulating the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of effective potential and the importance of deriving equations of motion before seeking specific solutions.

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There is uncertainty regarding the completeness of the problem statement and the precise nature of the "kick" mentioned in the context of the radial perturbation.

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Homework Statement



Two pucks of mass m slide freely on a horizontal plane. They are connected by a
spring (constant k and negligible un-stretched length) and set in circular motion
with angular momentum L. The pucks are given a small, simultaneous radial
poke. What is the frequency of subsequent radial oscillations?

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Lagrangian? -> Equations of motion?

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I thought of setting up the Lagrangian of the system and finding the Equations of Motion and then some how apply the small radial pertabation and from that the radial frequency should just pop out. My Lagrangian is
L=1/2m(r1'^2+r2'^2)+1/2m((r1*θ1')^2+(r2*θ2')^2)-1/2k(r1-r2)^2. Since the system is set in circular motion all θ' are constant such that θ'=ω for both theta. With that said the equations of Motions are
-m*r1''+m*w^2*r1-k(r1-r2)=0
&
-mr2''+m*w^2*r2+k(r1-r2)=0
Now how apply the small radial perturbation? is r1-r2<<r1 or r2?
(Note that all time derivatives are denoted by a ', i.e. v(t)=x'(t))
 
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... or you could set up the 1D system in rotating coordinates.
 
The Lagrangian looks fine, although with LaTeX it would be somwhat easier to read ;-).

I'd, however, use different generalized coordinates, namely center-of-mass and relative coordinates, because the use of coordinates adapted to the symmetries of the problem is always of advantage. The "little radial kick" has simply to be implemented into the initial conditions, although it's not very clearly stated what's meant by that "kick" precisely.

Is this really the complete problem statement given to you?
 
forceface said:
Since the system is set in circular motion all θ' are constant such that θ'=ω for both theta. With that said the equations of Motions are

Hi forceface - I think you're doing things kind of backwards here. You need to get the equations of motion first before you start thinking about specific solutions (like the solution where the masses spin round in a circle). That will lead you to an "effective potential", from which you can extract your answer.
 

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