Ultimate fate of the universe via a Bose-Einstein condensate

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The discussion revolves around the ultimate fate of the universe, particularly the role of Bose-Einstein condensates (BECs) in returning energy to the vacuum after black holes evaporate. Participants explore theoretical mechanisms regarding matter decay and the conditions under which BECs might form in the far future of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Dale79J proposes that if matter does not decay, black holes could evaporate and remaining matter might cool to absolute zero, potentially forming a Bose-Einstein condensate to return energy to the vacuum.
  • Some participants note that Bose-Einstein condensates typically do not occur with fermions, and only certain composite particles can form them, such as Helium and Carbon.
  • A later reply mentions that while certain conditions allow fermionic matter to form a BEC through Cooper pairing, it questions the applicability of this in the universe's later stages.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the half-life decay of nucleons, with one stating that there is no evidence of decay for stable nuclei.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the decay of matter or the feasibility of forming a Bose-Einstein condensate in the universe's future. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mechanisms involved.

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Limitations include the lack of evidence for nucleon decay in stable nuclei and the specific conditions required for forming a Bose-Einstein condensate, which may not be applicable in the context of the universe's end.

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Dear all,

I have been reading Wonders of the Universe by Prof. Brian Cox. I enjoyed the TV programs and thought the book would also be interesting, which it is. In the last chapter of the book, and also discussed in the TV program, it talks about the end of the Universe in many trillions of years time. What is put forward is that black holes will evaporate and that all remaining matter will decay into photons. These photons will then be stretched by the expanding universe until they no longer have any energy as they reach absolute zero, at which point all energy in the universe will have been returned to the vacuum. I have a slightly different thought which I wanted to get feedback on. I’m OK with the evaporating black holes but to date there is no evidence that protons, electrons and neutrons have a half life and can therefore decay to give rise to the proposed end of the universe as mentioned above. Is it therefore at all possible that if matter cannot or does not decay that the following mechanism to return energy to the vacuum can occur. Black holes evaporate and all remaining matter will cool to absolute zero. At this point all matter, and photons for that matter will form a Bose-Einstein condensate and the energy of the universe will then be returned to vacuum. There is another post related to this on this forum without any replies - Questions on Einstein Bose condensate and end of Universe. I would be happy to hear others people thoughts on this as a mechanism to return energy to the vacuum.

Cheers,

Dale79J.
 
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Bose-Einstein condensates only occur with materials that aren't fermions. Not all composite particles obey this, only certain ones such as Helium and Carbon.
 
Drakkith said:
Bose-Einstein condensates only occur with materials that aren't fermions. Not all composite particles obey this, only certain ones such as Helium and Carbon.

Fair point. On doing a bit more reading it appears that there are several atoms which can form a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC). The frist BEC was in Rb-87 atoms in 1995, and here is states that under certian conditions fermionic matter can form a BEC through Cooper pairing (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/18915). This may not be applicable to the real situation in the latter stages of the universe, but for the bosons and composites which can form a BEC it, I assume, would certainly help them to "depart the universe". This leaves just two questions: Is anything at all know with regards to the half life decay of nucleons? If they do decay is there a mechanism which allows them all to form bosons and hence a BEC? - Will have to read up on this!
 
To the best of my knowledge, there has never been any evidence that a proton or neutron inside a nucleus will ever decay as long as the nucleus is stable.
 

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