Ultrasonic Cavitation: Can I Produce Acoustic Cavitation?

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The discussion revolves around the practical production of ultrasound capable of inducing acoustic cavitation. Participants explore various frequencies, intensities, and methods of applying ultrasound, including the feasibility of positioning transducers near the liquid surface.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of producing ultrasound for acoustic cavitation using an Arduino module at 40kHz and questions if a higher frequency would be effective.
  • Another participant suggests that while the frequency might be adequate, the intensity is likely insufficient, referencing typical setups that operate at 20kHz with 2kW.
  • A participant raises the question of whether ultrasound can be applied without submerging the transducers in liquid, proposing the idea of positioning them close to the liquid surface.
  • It is noted that good sound coupling to the water is necessary, as reflections can occur when sound waves encounter a barrier with differing material properties, potentially leading to power loss.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about inducing cavitation from sound energy applied very close to the liquid surface due to significant acoustic impedance mismatch, emphasizing the need for direct coupling.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of cavitation, describing the formation of vapor bubbles and the conditions under which acoustic cavitation occurs, including references to relevant literature and visual examples.
  • A later reply humorously notes the shift in the original project goal from removing bubbles to wanting to create them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of inducing cavitation without direct coupling to the liquid. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed methods or the necessary conditions for successful acoustic cavitation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various technical aspects such as frequency, intensity, and acoustic impedance, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the practical application of ultrasound for cavitation.

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Hi,

I was wondering whether I could practically produce ultrasound capable of producing acoustic cavitation. I tried an arduino module at 40kHz, but this did bot work, would a higher frequency work? If so, is there a practical way of achieving this?

Thanks in advance.
 
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There is quite a lot of lit about acoustic cavitation - have you had a go getting hold of some?
It looks like your frequency is high enough but your intensity probably isn't.

A fairly typical setup would use 20kHz at 2kW.
i.e. http://www.hielscher.com/cavitat.htm
 
I was wondering of there was a way to apply the ultrasound without submerging in the liquid, i.e positioning transducers very close to the liquid surface. Would this be possible?
 
You need good sound coupling to the water. When waves encounter a barrier where the material media changes properties there will be some reflection. It's doable but keep in mind that you'll lose some power from reflections off the water's surface.
 
In my estimation we cannot expect to induce cavitation by the application of the sound energy "very close to the liquid surface". As Okefenokee says, there is a BIG acoustic impeadance mis-match unlesss there is direct coupling. Hard to believe enough acoustic energy to cause cavitation could be forced across the transducer-air- liquid barrier. Why do sonograms require the "contact gel" to image a fetus?

Cavitation in physics is the formation of vapor bubbles of a liquid in a region where the pressure of the liquid falls below its vapor pressure. The extreme pressure reduction literally “rips” the water molecules apart and creates a bubble. This bubble contains gas that had been dissolved in the liquid. Cavitation bubbles can easily be seen near the tips of a rapidly spinning propeller under water. For a good description of hydrodynamic cavitation, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

Cavitation in liquids may also be caused when the low pressure portion of a powerful acoustic (sound) wave causes a bubble to form. When a cavitation bubble collapses it compresses the gas and vapor inside it to an extremely high temperature. This can be used to cause chemical reactions not possible without acoustic cavitation. Under some specific conditions the process will emit visible light called “sonoluminescence”.

An excellent technical paper authored by some of the original pioneers in the field is this:
“Acoustic cavitation and its chemical consequences”
By Kenneth S. Suslick, et al.
http://www.scs.illinois.edu/suslick/documents/philtrans99335.pdf

See these images for acoustic cavitation:
http://www.google.com/search?q=acou...QWiloCgAg&sqi=2&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1333&bih=648

Suggested search terms you may use in Google searches to learn more:

hydrodynamic cavitation
physics of acoustic cavitation in liquids
acoustic cavitation ultrasound
sonoluminescence

Cheers, Bobbywhy
 
So your project had turned from something you needed to remove the bubbles from to something you want to add bubbles to?
 

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