Uncertainty of the Standard Deviation

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The discussion revolves around the uncertainty of the standard deviation, specifically focusing on the application of error propagation formulas. Participants are examining the nuances of the formula used and its implications in the context of statistical analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are discussing the validity of a specific error propagation formula for calculating the uncertainty in the standard deviation. Questions arise regarding the approximation of results and the implications of using different methods. There is also inquiry into the possibility of simplifying the formula further.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions behind the methods used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the approximation involved in the calculations, and there is an interest in clarifying the original problem statement.

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There is mention of specific instructions from an instructor regarding the use of a particular error propagation formula, which may influence the approaches being discussed. Additionally, the presence of a linked resource suggests that external references are being considered in the evaluation of the problem.

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Homework Statement
I'm trying to find the uncertainty of the standard deviation of N data points, which have a Gaussian distribution. Each data point has uncertainty σ_i.
Relevant Equations
Error propagation of data that follows a Gaussian distribution, standard deviation for a sample
Using this error propagation formula:
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I expressed the standard deviation (s) and the partial derivatives of s w.r.t. each data point as:
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This gives me an uncertainty of:
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, where m is the mean. Does this seem reasonable for the uncertainty of the standard deviation? I also found the thread linked below, and it looks like my formula matches the one in the thread, except for an extra factor of 1 -1/N.
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2439810/uncertainty-in-standard-deviation
 
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You do realize that $$1-1/N =\frac {N-1} N$$and several other simplifications are available. I believe your method gives the exactly correct answer although it is really only approximate. It is difficult to know what your prof wanted because you have paraphrased the question.
Your method is not the one I would have chosen. For instance the fact that the probabilities are independent then the product of the individual probabilities yields the result more directly.
 
Could you explain how the result is approximate?

The instructor wanted us to use the error propagation formula specified to find the uncertainty in the standard deviation, so I believe they expected us to use this method.

Would it be possible to get rid of the second summation term under the radical sign?
 
It is approximate because the Taylor expansion is approximate. It is usually a good approximation and serves very well. I have never seen this done this way and found it an interesting exercise.
I would like to see the exact statement of the problem however.
 
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