Uncertainty Principle: Theorem or Principle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it should be classified as a theorem or a principle. Participants explore different interpretations of the position-momentum and time-energy uncertainty relations, examining their implications and relevance in contemporary quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there are two interpretations of the uncertainty principles: one statistical, which views them as theorems, and another that refers to individual measurements, which may be seen as real principles.
  • One participant argues that the original formulations of the uncertainty principles are now considered obsolete, suggesting that they are special cases of a more general principle derived from modern quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant highlights that in quantum theory, time is treated as a parameter rather than an observable, which complicates the interpretation of the energy-time uncertainty relation.
  • It is proposed that from a mathematical perspective, any physical principle or law can be viewed as either a theorem or an axiom, with the uncertainty principle being classified as a theorem when framed in terms of quantum mechanics' fundamental concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification and interpretation of the uncertainty principle, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions about the uncertainty principle, including the dependence on mathematical formalism and the historical context of its formulation. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of these interpretations for contemporary understanding of quantum mechanics.

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Hello, It's been puzzling for me to try to understand this issue. To begin with it is clear that there are basically two principles, the Position-Momentum uncertainty and the Time-Energy uncertainty. It is also clear that there are at least two different interpretations attached to both. One is easy to interpret and according to this interpretation they are rather theorems derived from the formalism. These interpretations are statistical and are given for intance in the books by Griffiths "Intro.. to QM" and by Weinberg "Lectures on QM" and as I said before this is pretty clear and presents no interpretative dificulties.
There are however other interpretations which are not statistical(and are not thoerems and look like real principles) and they refer to individual measurements, which by the way seem the be the original ones used by Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. and there seem not to be agreement for the interpretation of Time-Energy uncertainty.
My question is about the relevance that the original interpretation given by the founding fathers of QM have today since the discussions about interpretation are very messy(for instance lots of papers)
 
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facenian said:
My question is about the relevance that the original interpretation given by the founding fathers of QM have today since the discussions about interpretation are very messy(for instance lots of papers)

The original formulation of both the time-energy and position-momentum uncertainty principles is pretty much obsolete. The principles are still valid, of course, but they are now understood to be special cases of a more general principle that follows directly from the modern mathematical formulation of QM.
 
The energy-time uncertainty relation is special, because in QT time is not an observable but a parameter. For a very good discussion of this issue (also in relativistic context), see the first few pages of Landau&Lifshitz vol. IV.
 
Any physical principle or law is either a theorem or an axiom, when looked at from a mathematical point of view. The so-called „uncertainty principle” is a theorem when formulated in terms of the fundamental concepts of the theory of Quantum Mechanics, i.e. states and observables.
 
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