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Uncertainty Propagation for the Slope of a Line of Best Fit

  1. Apr 12, 2012 #1
    Hi guys,

    So I'm writing up a physics lab and I have a bunch of data points. All of these data points have both x and y error bars. The relationship between x and y is linear and so I've made a line of best fit using Python passing through the data.

    Now the slope of that line of best fit has physical significance and I need to know its value. Of course I know the gradient of this line but what I don't have is the uncertainty in this gradient - which I need.

    How can I go about calculating it?

    Thanks!
     
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  4. Apr 12, 2012 #3
    Hey thanks for the link! I had a read through but I'm still not fully understanding it. Could you please run me through an example? Lets say I've three data points -

    (0 +-0.1, 8 +-0.5), (1 +-0.2, 10 +-0.4), (2+-0.3, 12+-0.6)

    With my line of best fit being y = 2x + 8.

    Edit: Oh so I only need the second equation you've listed because I only care about the gradient right? Even so I'm still not 100% on how to use it.
     
  5. Apr 12, 2012 #4
    So I thought I just figured it out. I used the above data points but no where in that formula did it ask for the error in my points. I think that formula is solely used to find the error assuming the data is 'almost linear'. For example if my data points were (0, 8.1), (1, 10.1), (2, 12). There isn't a linear relationship there but this formula would tell you the 'error' in the slope.

    This isn't the same as my scenario as I want to factor in my error bars into my formula. Maybe I should break all of my points up into (x-max, y-max), (x-min, y-max), (x-min, y-min), (x-max, y-min) and then sub them into that formula?
     
  6. Apr 12, 2012 #5

    sophiecentaur

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    You may need to change your variables so that a straight line relationship 'should' apply. Plotting X against y squared or log y or something ( the theory of your particular experiment would tell you what to do) and then I think you could do the analysis on the resulting set of data OK.
    This is the same trick as you would use if you wanted to do it with a ruler on graph paper.
     
  7. Apr 12, 2012 #6
    I've already got the relationship such that a straight line will apply.

    I've made a quick mock up of my actual data - see here http://imgur.com/fbwIb.

    So what I need to do is find the error in that light blue line. Of course the obvious and inaccurate way to do it would just be to alter the formula by hand in my code until it leaves the error bars, but I don't want to do this as I feel I should have a numerical method.

    Furthermore if I were to find the uncertainty via this method I'd be overlooking the proper way to do uncertainty analysis. For example if I have a line segment that is 1m +-0.2m and another line segment that is 2m +-0.1m and I want to add them together it is not simply 3m +-0.3m. You can't just add the errors, you have to follow this formula http://imgur.com/2EidJ. So the error would be sqrt(0.2^2+0.1^2) or +-0.22m. I worry I'd be overlooking this if I just vary the gradient by hand until it no longer fits the error bars.
     
  8. Apr 12, 2012 #7
    SO you are suggesting here the data has varying error bars, I don't know the answer but I imagine it's somewhere in that long article. My guess is the optimisation condition (minimise sum of squared residuals) must be adjusted to include weighting factors depending on the precision of each data point.

    Furthermore I'm not sure if this caters for horizontal error bars. If there's an error in your independent variable then you might need to also change the optimisation condition for this, eg., rather than use residuals in the vertical direction, calculate the minimum distance from the point to the line and square that, then sum it, or calculate the distance from the point to the line along some bearing which depends on the ratio of the horizontal/vertical error bars.

    The work has probably been done but I've never studied statistics in this depth. I'd be very keen to know the answer as well.
     
  9. Apr 13, 2012 #8

    haruspex

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    The standard formulae for regression analysis assume the error distribution is the same for all datapoints (i.e. as random variables the error terms are i.i.d.)
    If you have error bars that vary with the data values (heteroscedasticity, since you ask) then the normal straight line fit formula is not right. You need to bias in favour of matching the more reliable datapoints.
    The general method is MLE - maximum likelihood estimation.

    First, you need to convert the error bars to actual distributions. You could simply take them at face value and say the distribution is uniform over the range of the bar, but that is not likely to give you a good result. Instead, I would suggest taking each datapoint to have a Gaussian error, with the error bar indicating the standard deviation in each case (1 sigma, 2 sigma, whatever you choose).

    Then you need to pick the slope which maximises the overall "likelihood":

    Datapoints: (Xi, Yi)
    Model: Y = mX+a
    Error: Ei = Yi - (mXi+a)
    Std devs: Di
    Find m, a to minimise: Ʃ(Ei/Di)^2

    Turning to your original question, you want to find the distribution of m.
    This is a bit tricky because there could also be an error in a.
    One approach is Monte Carlo: generate random datasets fitting m, a, Di, apply the above procedure, and see what distributions you get for the computed m and a values.

    To do it properly might require Bayesian analysis: pick a priori distributions for m and a, then adjust them based on the data.
     
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