Understanding Absolute Values.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of absolute values in mathematics, particularly in the context of solving a first-order linear differential equation. Participants explore the implications of absolute values when defining integrating factors and consider different cases based on the sign of the variable x.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the use of absolute values and their application in differential equations, specifically questioning how to handle the integrating factor without bounds on x.
  • Another participant suggests separating the cases for x > 0 and x < 0 as a way to address the absolute value issue.
  • A participant questions whether the simplification of the integrating factor should yield 1/|x| instead of 1/x, indicating a potential oversight in understanding the role of absolute values.
  • One participant notes that the integral of 1/x leads to ln|x|, emphasizing the importance of considering the context of the problem, particularly when initial conditions are involved.
  • A later reply highlights that in the specific case of the given differential equation, x cannot be negative, thus reinforcing the use of |x| as simply x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to handling absolute values, with some advocating for case separation and others questioning the necessity of this method. The discussion reflects multiple competing views on how to apply absolute values in the context of the differential equation, and no consensus is reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding how absolute values interact with initial conditions and the implications for the sign of x in the context of the differential equation. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the assumptions made when simplifying expressions involving absolute values.

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Hey Guys! I've frequently come by this forum and have finally joined it in hopes that I could get some more conceptual insight in understanding math.

One thing that I have trouble with is absolute values. I understand that:

|x|= \sqrt{x^2} .. and how it can be defined given restrictions on x.

..but I'm having some trouble trying to completely understand and confidently use them in some contexts.

For example, consider this simple first-order linear differential equation:

xy' + y = \sqrt{x}

Assuming you don't do this through inspection, you would get an integrating factor I such that:

I = e^ln(|x|) = |x|

How would one utilize that to find the solution given no bounds and restrictions on x?
 
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One way would be to consider x > 0 (x = |x|) and x < 0 (x = -|x|) as separate cases.
 
Thanks for the reply, Mathman. Is there another way than to separate it into separate cases?

I feel as if I'm forgetting a key concept. For example, consider this simplifcation that was given in a solution manual of mine:

I(x) = e^{\int(-1/x dx)} = e^{(-ln(x))}= e^{ln(x^{-1})} = 1/x

Shouldn't it simplify to 1/|x|?
 
Yes, since
\int \frac{dx}{x} = \ln{|x| + C

(I have omitted the negative sign in your problem to focus on the integral.)

If the context of this problem is a differential equation with an initial condition, the sign of the initial value is often used to choose positive values for x, or negative values.
 
Ahh! The initial value! How could I have overlooked that, Mark44?

Thanks!
 
We might also point out that, in this particular case,
xy&#039;+ y= \sqrt{x}
with y a real valued function, x cannot be negative so we would use |x|= x.
 

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