Understanding Antimatter Annihilation: Levels and Possibilities"

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The discussion revolves around the concept of antimatter annihilation, specifically examining the levels at which annihilation occurs between various particles, such as quarks and atoms. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving neutrons, anti-protons, and hydrogen atoms, as well as the implications of molecular structures on annihilation processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a neutron can annihilate with an anti-proton at the quark level, considering the interactions between their constituent quarks.
  • Another participant suggests that complete annihilation may not occur when a neutron collides with an anti-proton, proposing that the resulting interactions could lead to a new bonded product that behaves differently than its individual components.
  • It is proposed that sufficient energy in a collision between a neutron and an anti-proton could lead to annihilation, resulting in the formation of mesons from the free quarks.
  • Participants discuss the annihilation of hydrogen and anti-hydrogen, with one asserting that molecular forms like H2 do not significantly affect annihilation processes at the subatomic level.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that molecular forms do not matter, prompting further inquiry into the validity of this claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of molecular structures in annihilation processes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the interactions between particles and their configurations.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding energy levels required for annihilation and the nature of particle interactions that remain unaddressed. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding among participants, which may influence their interpretations of the phenomena.

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At what level does annihilation occur?

For example, if I've got an up quark and an anti-up quark, they can annihilate. If I've got a proton (uud) and anti-proton (anti up, anti up, anti down), they can annihilate. What if I mix a neutron (down, down, up) with an anti-proton (anti up, anti up, anti down)? Can we get the annihilation of the neutron's down quark(s) with the anti-proton's anti-down quark, or of the neutron's up quark with the anti-proton's anti-up quark(s)?

What if we have an anti-H atom (anti-proton and positron, I guess) - obviously this will annihilate with an H atom (proton and electron), but will the anti-proton annihilate individually with a proton, or the positron annihilate individually with an electron, to leave behind just a positron or an anti-proton respectively? Will an anti-H atom annihilate with an H2 molecule, given that the H2 electrons are taken up in a bonding pair? What will be left afterwards then?
 
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I have an idea!

I only have a high school regents physics understanding about all of this but bear with me. Like in chemistry how when two elements bond together, they become something totally different then their original forms, maybe this is the same for quarks, an up up and down quark make a proton, something maybe different from their original properties, so I believe if a neutron and an anti-proton were to collide, complete annihilation would not occur because the new bonded product does not act the same as its simpler "ingredients" would alone.
 
all sorts of things can happen, but it really depends on the collision itself. If you had enough energy you'd be able to collide the neutron and anti-proton and get annihilation (although it also depends on pure probability), which would then form a couple of mesons from the free quarks

Same goes for the H, if you had enough energy to get a collision you could easily get H, anti-H, annihilation. This extends to the H2, the molecular form doesn't matter much on the subatomic scale.
 
Viracocha said:
the molecular form doesn't matter much on the subatomic scale.

Are you sure this is true?
 
It's true as far as I know, molecules are just more compact clusters of atoms. Molecules are much larger than atoms and particle interactions don't really do much on scales larger than atoms. You can have interactions that take place in a lone proton/neutron of a heavy element without even effecting other protons/neutrons (for example, radioactive decay), so I can't imagine that a molecular form would matter much.
 

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