Understanding Barandes' microscopic theory of causality

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This discussion centers on J. A. Barandes' pre-print titled "New Prospects for a Causally Local Formulation of Quantum Theory" (arXiv 2402.16935, 2024), which proposes a new interpretation of quantum mechanics that challenges Bell's theorem. Barandes argues that his microphysical notion of causation allows for a more straightforward criterion for causal locality, potentially leading to a hidden-variables formulation of quantum theory. However, participants express skepticism regarding Barandes' claims, particularly concerning the implications for entanglement and the validity of his definitions compared to established theories. The conversation highlights the need for further clarification and understanding of Barandes' approach.

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  • Understanding of Bell's theorem and its implications in quantum mechanics.
  • Familiarity with the concepts of causal locality and nonlocality in quantum theory.
  • Knowledge of Bayesian networks and their application in modeling probabilistic systems.
  • Basic comprehension of quantum mechanics, particularly entanglement and hidden variables.
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  • Read Barandes' pre-print "New Prospects for a Causally Local Formulation of Quantum Theory" (arXiv 2402.16935).
  • Explore the implications of Bell's theorem on hidden-variable theories.
  • Investigate Bayesian networks and their role in understanding quantum correlations.
  • Examine critiques and analyses of Barandes' interpretations in the context of quantum mechanics.
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  • #331
pines-demon said:
Can you provide a simple example of what would that look like?
Some links that might be relevant.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.16935
In section VIII the formalism is applied to a basic EPR scenario.

https://shared.jacobbarandes.com/documents/double-slit-interference-unistochastic-lecture-notes
Lecture notes on the double-slit experiment

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2512.18105
The most recent paper applying the formalism to the CHSH game.
 
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  • #332
It would be very instructive for everyone if Barandés took a paper by Zeilinger (a world-renowned authority on nonlocality) and translated it completely into his own terms.
 
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  • #333
javisot said:
It would be very instructive for everyone if Barandés took a paper by Zeilinger (a world-renowned authority on nonlocality) and translated it completely into his own terms.
which paper?
 
  • #334
Morbert said:
Some links that might be relevant.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.16935
In section VIII the formalism is applied to a basic EPR scenario.

https://shared.jacobbarandes.com/documents/double-slit-interference-unistochastic-lecture-notes
Lecture notes on the double-slit experiment

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2512.18105
The most recent paper applying the formalism to the CHSH game.
I mean something more human level. Imagine that one tries to reproduce an entanglement experiment à la Mermin, you drop some assumption and you get an interpretation. Bohmians remove the idea that particles cannot communicate, superdeterminists remove the idea that detectors are not conspiring with the particles/experimenters, but what would be a good analogy for Barandes?
 
  • #336
javisot said:
translated into Barandés
Do you have a reason to put an accent in Barandes -> Barandés? It is not the first time I seen it here.
 
  • #337
pines-demon said:
Do you have a reason to put an accent in Barandes -> Barandés? It is not the first time I seen it here.
It must be my translator; I misspelled it once and now it always translate it that way by default. I don't know how to fix it...
 
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