Understanding Bounded Operators in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of bounded operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the definitions and implications of boundedness in the context of linear transformations between normed spaces. Participants explore the equivalence of definitions and seek clarification on the underlying principles.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the equivalence of definitions for bounded operators, questioning the clarity of the statement that a transformation is bounded if it maps bounded sets to bounded sets.
  • Another participant agrees that the implication from the boundedness of the operator to the boundedness of sets is clear, but finds the reverse implication less obvious and seeks a connection between the two statements.
  • A third participant proposes a method to demonstrate the implication that if an operator takes bounded sets to bounded sets, then it must satisfy the boundedness condition involving constants.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between continuity and boundedness of operators, with a reference to a Wikipedia page for further proof.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the equivalence of definitions for bounded operators. While some points are agreed upon, the discussion reflects uncertainty and differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of boundedness.

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Participants highlight the need for a proof to clarify the equivalence of definitions and the implications of continuity in relation to bounded operators. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in connecting the definitions and their implications.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying operator theory and the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics.

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hi.

i'm reading "quantum mechanics in hilbert space" and a don't get a basic point for bounded operators.

def. 1 a set S in a normed space [tex]N[/tex] is bounded if there is a constant C such that [tex]\left\| f \right\| \leq C ~~~~~ \forall f \in S[/tex]

def. 2 a transformation is called bounded if it maps each bounded set into a bounded set.

and now comes the part i don't understand.

for linear operators [tex]T: N_1 \rightarrow N_2[/tex] def. 2 is equivalent to:
there exists a constant C such that [tex]\left\| T f \right\| \leq C \left\| f \right\| ~~~~~ \forall f \in N_1[/tex]

this is stated without a proof. i don't think it's obvious or at least not to me.

i'm thinking of a map, for example from the real numbers (normed space) to the real numbers, where the bounded set [tex]N_1=(0,1][/tex] is transformed in a way to another interval say [tex]N_2=(a,b][/tex] now the norm of elements from [tex]N_1[/tex] can get arbitrary small. So there can't exist a constant fulfilling [tex]\left\| T f \right\| \leq C \left\| f \right\| ~~~~~ \forall f \in N_1[/tex] when the norm of all elements of [tex]N_2[/tex] has a lower bound say [tex]m>0[/tex].

Or is such a map forbidden because of the continuity (zero has to be mapped on zero) and bounded linerar operators are continuous and vice verca?

i would be glad if someone can show me a proof or a source where a can get one.

thanks and greetings.
 
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Clearly, the '<=' implication is true. For suppose that ||Tf|| <= C ||f||. Take N1 to be a bounded set. That means that for all f, ||f|| <= C' for some constant C'. So clearly, ||Tf|| <= C C' where the right hand side is again a constant.

As for the direct implication '=>' ... I didn't quite see it right away. How to connect the statement about bounded sets to a statement about any subset of S eludes me right now. If I think of something I will let you know :)
 
Suppose that T takes bounded sets to bounded sets. The set of all vectors of the form [tex]\frac{f}{\|f\|}[/tex] is bounded, so there must exist a C such that

[tex]\|T\frac{f}{\|f\|}\|\leq C[/tex]

This implies [itex]\|Tf\|\leq C\|f\|[/itex].

To prove the converse, suppose instead that there exists a C such that [itex]\|Tf\|\leq C\|f\|[/itex] for all f, and let B be a bounded set with bound M (i.e. [itex]\|g\|\leq M[/itex] for all g in B). We need to show that there exists an upper bound for the set of all [itex]\|Tg\|[/itex] with g in B.

[tex]\|Tg\|\leq C\|g\|\leq CM[/tex]

If you're also wondering why an operator is continuous if and only if it's bounded, the Wikipedia page titled "bounded operator" has a very nice proof of that.
 
Great!

Many thanks to both of you.
 

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