Understanding Closed and Open Sets in R^d

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The discussion focuses on the properties of open and closed sets in R^d, specifically addressing the proofs that if A is an open set and B is a closed set, then A \ B is open and B \ A is closed. The theorem referenced states that the union of any collection of open sets is open, and the intersection of any finite collection of open sets is open. The participants clarify that the proofs do not depend on the subset relationships between A and B, as A \ B remains open and B \ A remains closed regardless of whether B is a subset of A or vice versa.

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This is the question:
Let A be an open set and B a closed set. If B ⊂ A, prove that A \ B is
open. If A ⊂ B, prove that B \ A is closed.


Right before this we have a theorem stated as below:
In R^d,
(a) the union of an arbitrary collection of open sets is open;
(b) the intersection of any finite collection of open sets is open;
(c) the intersection of an arbitrary collection of closed sets is closed;
(d) the union of any finite collection of closed sets is closed.

So in each case, I think we can just say A\B=A∩B^c (B^c means B complement), and since both A and B^c are open (by assumption and then by definition of a closed set where if B is closed, B-complement is open) we use part (b) of the previous theorem, A\B is open. But in this proof, I didn't use the assumption that B⊂A, so I know it isn't right. Same goes for the second part of the question. PLEASE HELP!
 
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x_saved_kt said:
This is the question:
Let A be an open set and B a closed set. If B ⊂ A, prove that A \ B is
open. If A ⊂ B, prove that B \ A is closed.


Right before this we have a theorem stated as below:
In R^d,
(a) the union of an arbitrary collection of open sets is open;
(b) the intersection of any finite collection of open sets is open;
(c) the intersection of an arbitrary collection of closed sets is closed;
(d) the union of any finite collection of closed sets is closed.

So in each case, I think we can just say A\B=A∩B^c (B^c means B complement), and since both A and B^c are open (by assumption and then by definition of a closed set where if B is closed, B-complement is open) we use part (b) of the previous theorem, A\B is open. But in this proof, I didn't use the assumption that B⊂A, so I know it isn't right.
By what logic do you "know it isn't right"? Pehaps this particular part does NOT depend on B being a subset of A. For example, if A and B were disjoint, A\B= A which is, just as your proof would assert, open. The fact is that, if A is open and B is closed, the A\B is open and B\A is closed, whether A is a subset of B or B is a subset of A or not.

Same goes for the second part of the question. PLEASE HELP!
 
HallsofIvy said:
By what logic do you "know it isn't right"? Pehaps this particular part does NOT depend on B being a subset of A. For example, if A and B were disjoint, A\B= A which is, just as your proof would assert, open. The fact is that, if A is open and B is closed, the A\B is open and B\A is closed, whether A is a subset of B or B is a subset of A or not.
Ah, I see. Thanks, this makes a lot of sense now! I guess all I was thinking is that if in the question they indicated the "if"s I've got to be doing something wrong! hah! Thanks a lot for your help!
 

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