Understanding CSM Displacement with Offset

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between crank throw, stroke length, and offset in a crank-slider mechanism (CSM). Participants explore the mathematical relationships and geometrical considerations involved in determining stroke length with an offset, including various equations and diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for a non-offset CSM, the stroke length is given by S=2R, but introduces the idea that offset changes this relationship slightly, leading to a proposed equation S=2R(1/cos(Z)), where Z is the angle formed by the offset.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the stroke is simply the distance between extreme positions, suggesting that triangle solutions can determine maximum and minimum distances based on alignment of the crank and connecting rod.
  • Further contributions reiterate the need for a relationship between crank radius and stroke, even with offset, and propose using Pythagorean relationships to derive expressions for maximum and minimum wrist pin distances.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the differences between calculated stroke lengths using their derived equations and actual displacement functions, seeking clarification on the discrepancies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to calculate stroke length with offset, with some focusing on geometric interpretations while others propose algebraic solutions. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the most effective method or the reasons for discrepancies in calculated values.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about the geometry of the CSM and the relationships between the crank radius, connecting rod length, and offset. Some mathematical steps and definitions are not fully resolved, leading to uncertainty in the derived equations.

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So I know that the relationship between the crank throw and the stroke of a non-offset CSM is S=2R. But then I realized that when offset is introduced, the stroke length changes just a little. So I spend some time drawing diagrams and then found out that the maximum piston position for any CSM is at the angle formed by the offset @ 0 degrees CA, and minimum is just 180 degrees plus that. For example, a CSM has a Connecting Rod length of 4 and an offset of 1.5. Doing some math, we come up with Angle=Sin^-1(d/L), where L is connecting Rod length and d is offset. Our answer is approximately 22.02 degrees, and thus when the angle of the crank is 22.02 or 202.02 degrees, maximum and minimum displacement occur. Let's say this mechanism has a crank throw (radius) of 2. The equation I came up with so far is S=2R(1/cos(Z)), where S is the stroke length, R is the radius, and Z is the angle formed by the offset. Plugging in our variables, we get: S = approximately 4.315 units, but when I check it by using actual displacement functions, it differs by just a little bit!: S = 4.330. Does anyone know why this occurs?

Displacement Equation: D=Rcos(X)+sqrt(L^2-(Rsin(X)-d)^2)

Where X is crank angle.
 
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The stroke is simply the distance between the extreme positions. Determining this does not require anything more than some triangle solutions. The max distance from crank to wrist pin happens when the crank and connecting rod are aligned. The min distance occurs when they are again aligned but now overlapping.
 
Dr.D said:
The stroke is simply the distance between the extreme positions. Determining this does not require anything more than some triangle solutions. The max distance from crank to wrist pin happens when the crank and connecting rod are aligned. The min distance occurs when they are again aligned but now overlapping.

Yes, but I was thinking in terms using a formula for a spreadsheet.
 
So, what is the difficulty?
 
Dr.D said:
So, what is the difficulty?

I was thinking that there must be some sort of relationship between The crank radius and stroke, even with offset
 
Let R = crank radius, L = connecting rod length, and e = offset. Further, let X = wrist pin distance from the crank axis. Then
(L + R)^2 = e^2 + Xmax^2 Pythagoras at full extension
(L - R)^2 = e^2 + Xmin^2 Pythagoras at minimum extension
Solve these for Xmax and Xmin, then take the difference to get
stroke = S = Xmax - Xmin
You can do the algebra to roll all this into a single expression.
 
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Dr.D said:
Let R = crank radius, L = connecting rod length, and e = offset. Further, let X = wrist pin distance from the crank axis. Then
(L + R)^2 = e^2 + Xmax^2 Pythagoras at full extension
(L - R)^2 = e^2 + Xmin^2 Pythagoras at minimum extension
Solve these for Xmax and Xmin, then take the difference to get
stroke = S = Xmax - Xmin
You can do the algebra to roll all this into a single expression.

Thanks man!
 

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