Understanding Curvature Perturbation in Cosmology

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The discussion centers on understanding curvature perturbation in cosmology, particularly in the context of inflationary cosmology and gauge invariance in cosmological perturbation theory. Participants explore the derivation and implications of curvature perturbations, as well as the challenges in interpreting these concepts from various sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of curvature perturbation and its gauge invariance as presented in a textbook.
  • Another participant suggests that the curvature perturbation is proportional to the curvature scalar of a constant-time hypersurface in comoving coordinates.
  • A participant questions the gauge independence of the chosen time coordinate when perturbing the metric.
  • It is noted that the curvature perturbation transforms under gauge transformations, but for adiabatic perturbations, different gauges may coincide under certain conditions.
  • Some participants assert that the curvature perturbation is gauge invariant, providing mathematical expressions to support this claim.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between curvature perturbations on uniform density hypersurfaces and comoving hypersurfaces, with some noting that they coincide on large scales.
  • A participant references a seminal paper by Bardeen on gauge-invariant cosmological perturbations as a clear source on the topic.
  • Another participant acknowledges the complexity of the topic and suggests looking for reviews or additional textbooks for further clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the gauge independence of curvature perturbations and the definitions of various related quantities. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these concepts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about gauge choices and the definitions of curvature perturbations. The complexity of the mathematical derivations and the need for rigorous treatment in the context of scalar perturbations are acknowledged.

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Hi,
I am having some problems understanding this concept, I hope you can help.
I studied on Hobson, Efstathiou and Lasenby, in chapter 16 on Inflationary cosmology that in cosmological perturbation theory we need to express quantities in a gauge invariant way, very clear so far. The problem there is: we have a scalar field perturbation [itex]\phi (t) -> \phi_0 (t) +\delta\phi (t,x)[/itex] and we assume a perturbed metric from the flat background FRW which is [itex]ds^2=(1+2\Phi)dt^2 -(1-2\Phi) R(t)^2 (dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)[/itex] ,where [itex]\Phi[/itex] is the small perturbation.
They set about to derive a gauge invariant related to these quantities and derive what they call the curvature perturbation:
[itex]\Phi+ H\delta \phi / \phi_0 (t)'[/itex]
where [itex]\phi_0'[/itex] denotes the time derivative of [itex]\phi_0[/itex] and H is the Hubble parameter. They then work in terms of this curvature perturbation saying that it does not depend on the coordinates used for the perturbation and so it can be done. I would like to understand how to obtain and how to understand that curvature perturb. That piece of the text is very unclear in my opinion, everything else in the book is very clear and well written, at least for undergrads... Thanx
 
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Hey, can't anyone help? Do you know what I'm talking about? Need more info?
Thanx anyway
 
Basically, the curvature perturbation is proportional to the curvature scalar of a constant-time hypersurface in comoving coordinates. Usually it's defined as

[tex]4 \nabla^2 \mathcal{R} = R^{(3)}.[/tex]
 
You said in a constant time hypersurface, but if we perturbed the metric (to solve for the perturbed scalar field) how do we know that the time coord we are choosing does not give us gauge dependent effects?
 
It's not gauge-independent in the general case, but transforms as

[tex]\mathcal{R} \rightarrow \mathcal{R} + H \delta t[/tex]

However, you'll find that for adiabatic perturbations the different gauges coincide as long as the expansion of the universe is not exactly exponential (in which case everything with [tex]\delta t^{-1}[/tex] in it will diverge).

There's a short (but slightly longer) explanation in arxiv, in http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0003278
 
clamtrox said:
It's not gauge-independent in the general case, but transforms as

[tex]\mathcal{R} \rightarrow \mathcal{R} + H \delta t[/tex]

[itex]\mathcal{R}[/itex] doesn't transform like that; it is a gauge invariant quantity. To see this,

[tex]\mathcal{R}=\psi+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\delta\varphi\to\psi+\mathcal{H}\delta\eta+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\left(\delta\varphi-\varphi_0'\delta\eta\right)[/tex]

where the last equality comes from using the gauge transformations (5) and (6) in the above paper. This gives

[tex]\mathcal{R}\to\psi+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\delta\varphi=\mathcal{R}[/tex]

so R is gauge invariant.
 
cristo said:
[itex]\mathcal{R}[/itex] doesn't transform like that; it is a gauge invariant quantity. To see this,

[tex]\mathcal{R}=\psi+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\delta\varphi\to\psi+\mathcal{H}\delta\eta+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\left(\delta\varphi-\varphi_0'\delta\eta\right)[/tex]

where the last equality comes from using the gauge transformations (5) and (6) in the above paper. This gives

[tex]\mathcal{R}\to\psi+\frac{\mathcal{H}}{\varphi_0'}\delta\varphi=\mathcal{R}[/tex]

so R is gauge invariant.

That R is the curvature perturbation evaluated in the uniform density hypersurface, which is defined in equation [7] on the paper I posted. You're right in that it's gauge-independent, but that's only because you define it by transforming the generic curvature perturbation into a certain gauge before calculating it.

I guess I should have mentioned that :)
 
Hi, thanks. I also found this article which I think is very very clear about that (it's where the concept was first introduced...)

Gauge-invariant cosmological perturbations
J. M. Bardeen, Phys. Rev. D 22, 1882 (1980).
 
clamtrox said:
That R is the curvature perturbation evaluated in the uniform density hypersurface

No, R is the curvature perturbation on comoving hypersurfaces. The curvature perturbation on uniform density hypersurfaces, [itex]\zeta[/itex] is in general different, though the two do coincide on large scales.

Rick89 said:
Hi, thanks. I also found this article which I think is very very clear about that (it's where the concept was first introduced...)

Gauge-invariant cosmological perturbations
J. M. Bardeen, Phys. Rev. D 22, 1882 (1980).

Absolutely, if you can follow Bardeen's 1980 paper, then that's the best source for this topic, but it is pretty complicated (which is why there have been several reviews written). I imagine (to answer your first question) the reason things weren't done rigorously in the textbook you mention is that to do so would require first writing down the metric with general scalar perturbations (the one you quote is already in a gauge-- the longitudinal, or Newtonian, gauge), and then considering the gauge transformations for each quantity, before constructing the gauge invariant variables. If you want details, I suggest you look at some of the reviews (or maybe even some more specific textbooks).
 
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Yes, it is pretty difficult. Can you suggest some reviews? Thanx
 

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