Understanding Doppler Formula: Solving for Vs and Equivalencies

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler formula, specifically two different forms of the equation used to describe the relationship between observed frequency and source frequency in wave mechanics. Participants are exploring how these equations are equivalent and how to manipulate them to solve for the speed of the source.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the equivalency of two forms of the Doppler equation and are questioning how to derive one from the other. There are requests for step-by-step explanations of the transformations involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the relationship between the two equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding substituting values, but there is no consensus on the steps needed to derive one equation from the other.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the equations can be manipulated algebraically, and there is a focus on understanding the implications of changing the sign of the speed of the source.

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doppler formula help please!:)

Hello, i see the doppler formula in 2 different forms one being f1=f2 (Vw/Vw-Vs) and the other f1=f2/(1+Vs/Vw)

f1= Doppler frequency
f2= Source frequency
Vw= Speed of sound
Vs= Speed of source

the problem i am having is understanding how these are equivalent? how fit they get from one to the other? And how would you solve for Vs in the first doppler equation stated? any help would be greatly appreciated :)
 
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hello chiuda! :smile:

if you replace Vs by -Vs, they're the same! :wink:
 


yes i understand that part but let's say the 2nd eqn was already -vs how does one get from the first equation to the second one? it would be very appreciated if all the steps could be shown thank you :)
 


Try dividing up and bottom by Vw.
 


then i would have f2*(1-Vs/Vw) which is not the same as f2/ (1-Vs/Vw) :S
 
chiuda said:
Hello, i see the doppler formula in 2 different forms one being f1=f2 (Vw/Vw-Vs) and the other f1=f2/(1+Vs/Vw)
chiuda said:
… let's say the 2nd eqn was already -vs how does one get from the first equation to the second one?
chiuda said:
then i would have f2*(1-Vs/Vw)

how do you get that? :confused:
 

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