Understanding Elastic Collisions in Two Dimensions

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The discussion focuses on the analysis of an elastic collision between two billiard balls of equal mass (1.41 kg). The white ball, initially moving at 3.32 m/s, collides with a stationary black ball, resulting in the white ball moving at an angle of 28° and the black ball at 62°. The center of mass (COM) frame is utilized to analyze the velocities, revealing that the final velocities in the lab frame differ from those in the COM frame due to the glancing nature of the collision. The participant struggles with the conversion of velocities back to the lab frame, indicating a need for a vector addition diagram to clarify the relationship between the two frames.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of elastic collisions and conservation of momentum
  • Familiarity with the center of mass (COM) reference frame
  • Knowledge of vector addition and trigonometric functions
  • Proficiency in using the Pythagorean theorem for velocity calculations
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  • Construct a vector addition diagram for elastic collisions
  • Learn about the transformation of velocities between the COM frame and the lab frame
  • Study the principles of glancing collisions in two dimensions
  • Explore advanced topics in collision physics, such as energy conservation in elastic collisions
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A white billiard ball with mass mw = 1.41 kg is moving directly to the right with a speed of v = 3.32 m/s and collides elastically with a black billiard ball with the same mass mb = 1.41 kg that is initially at rest. The two collide elastically and the white ball ends up moving at an angle above the horizontal of θw = 28° and the black ball ends up moving at an angle below the horizontal of θb = 62°.

What is the final speed of the white ball?

So the way we learned to solve elastic collisions is to use the center of mass reference frame. I calculated that the COM is moving at v=1.66 m/s relative to the lab frame. Next I calculated the velocity of the white ball to be +1.66 m/s relative to the COM frame and the black ball to have velocity of -1.66 m/s relative to the COM.

I know that after the elastic collision the velocities relative to the COM just switch signs so therefore the velocity of the white ball should be moving away from the COM at 1.66 m/s at an angle of 28 degrees with a negative x component. To calculate the x and y components relative to the COM I did x = -1.66cos(28) and y = 1.66sin(28). Then when I convert it back into the lab frame I get x_lab = -1.66cos(28) + 1.66 and y_lab = 1.66sin(28) + 0. Finally I use the Pythagorean theorem to find the final velocity and its wrong.

I have been trying this problem all day and I can't figure out what is wrong.
 
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cp255 said:
I know that after the elastic collision the velocities relative to the COM just switch signs so therefore the velocity of the white ball should be moving away from the COM at 1.66 m/s at an angle of 28 degrees with a negative x component.

If the collision were "head-on" then the velocities would just reverse direction in the COM frame. But, you have a glancing collision. If the angle for the final velocity for the white ball is 28 degrees in the lab frame, it will not be 28 degrees in the COM frame. Construct a vector addition diagram showing how the final velocity of the white ball in the lab frame is related to the final velocity in the COM frame.
 

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