Understanding Enantiomers of 3-Bromo-1-Butanol

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The discussion revolves around the stereochemistry of 3-bromo-1-butanol, specifically focusing on drawing its enantiomers and understanding the representation of stereogenic centers in different projection formats. Participants explore the challenges of accurately depicting these structures in 3D and converting between different types of projections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to assign solid and dashed lines to bonds at the stereogenic center of 3-bromo-1-butanol, questioning the rationale behind the professor's representation.
  • Another participant suggests that any two bonds can be placed in the plane as long as consistency is maintained when drawing the enantiomer.
  • A participant acknowledges the sensitivity of stereochemistry drawings and the potential for errors if not done correctly, seeking reassurance about their approach.
  • One participant requests guidance on converting Fischer projections to Newman projections, indicating difficulties with their current method and asking for advice on correctly placing atoms in the Newman projection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the drawing of enantiomers and the conversion between projection types. There is no consensus on the best approach to these challenges, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of consistency in drawing methods and the potential for confusion when different representations yield seemingly different results. Limitations in their understanding of stereochemistry and projection conversions are evident.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about stereochemistry, particularly those struggling with visualizing and representing enantiomers and converting between different types of molecular projections.

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We have hit stereochemistry , and I realize I will be screwed unless I can get my drawings down-pat. Okay, so, let's say the question is:

Draw clearly structures for the pair of enantiomers of each:

a) 3-bromo-1-butanol

To start, I drew out the stick-diagram, and identified the stereogenic center. I then realized that I'd have to make a proper 3D representation of it to clearly show the structure in relation to its enantiomer. I hit a road block. At the stereogenic center, you'll have two bonds in the plain of the paper, one going away (dashed) and one towards (wedged).

My question is: How are you to distinguish which gets which type of line? The only hint I have in my head is that you'd give the dashed line to lowest priority at the center (in this case, hydrogen). But, how would you determine if the bromine, say, gets a solid line or a wedged line?

Here's an image of my professors answer:
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l485/Marconis/Picture1.png

He represented the Br with a solid line...why? Why couldn't it be drawn with a wedged line, and be in the place where the methyl group is? If I didn't draw it like that, would my enantiomers be completely false? Please, explain clearly...I'm perishing over here.

Thank you so much in advance.
 
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You can select any two bonds to be on the plane, it doesn't matter which ones you selected - as long as you are consistent and draw the other enantiomer the same way.
 
That's what I was hoping for, it just gets confusing when you draw something one way and then the answer key shows something totally different. I know that in stereochemistry, compounds are very sensitive in how they are to be drawn or else you can totally mess it up, so I wanted to be sure this wasn't the case here. Thank you!
 
Marconis said:
That's what I was hoping for, it just gets confusing when you draw something one way and then the answer key shows something totally different.

I can only sympathize, but as you will get experience you will see when they are the same. It is just a matter of time.
 
Could you perhaps help me with the following? It's not so much a homework question as it is general guidance, so I apologize if I am asking in the wrong forum.

I am having trouble converting Fisher projections into Newman projections, and vice versa. I have gotten several correct, but the method I am using has failed me on others so I think I am doing it incorrectly. Any advice on the following is greatly appreciated:

For (b), the question tells you do draw a correct Newman Projection that correctly shows the stereogenic centers. I am so confused on how to do this:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l485/Marconis/Picture1-1.png

So it pretty much wants me to finish up the Newman with correct placements of atoms.

The same goes for this:
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l485/Marconis/Picture2.png

Thanks in advance.
 

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