Understanding Energy Bands in Solids: A Quick Question on Band Theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of energy bands in solids, specifically addressing whether energy bands are associated with individual atoms or the solid as a whole. Participants explore the implications of band theory in the context of condensed matter physics, considering the nature of energy levels in materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether energy bands exist for every atom in a solid or if they are a property of the entire solid, suggesting that each atom may still have discrete energy levels.
  • Another participant asserts that energy bands are a property of the whole solid, noting that the overlapping of similar energy levels from multiple atoms leads to the formation of bands.
  • Some participants explain that when atoms come together to form a material, their energy levels shift and overlap, resulting in closely spaced energy levels that form bands.
  • It is mentioned that the study of condensed matter physics and band theory can provide detailed answers to these questions about energy bands.
  • A participant introduces the idea that while energy bands are properties of the solid, localized electrons can still exist, particularly core level electrons that do not overlap significantly with neighboring atoms.
  • There is a description of how localized bands appear flat in energy vs. wave vector diagrams, while delocalized bands show significant dispersion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that energy bands are properties of the whole solid, but there is discussion about the existence of localized electrons and their implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how individual atomic energy levels relate to the overall band structure.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of energy bands and the potential for varying interpretations of localized versus delocalized states. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these concepts.

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Hello everyone, I have finished high school not long ago, and haven't start my uni. So I take this time to read some physics. I have no one teachs me, the only book I have is 'Giancoli's PHYSICS'. Its a good book (discriptive but not mathematical, which suits me as I haven't done much sophisticate math).

Here is my question, are energy bands for every atoms in a solid (every single atom have energy band). Or the whole solid posses energy band (with each atom still have discrete energy level)? Or should I say the solid posses energy band with atom indistinguishable?

I have searched for a while, but cannot have a clear answer

Thank you for any help
 
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Energy bands are a property of the whole solid object. While the individual states within these bands can be local (valence band), the "band" comes from the fact that you have a large amount of atoms in the material.
 
Yeah, energy bands are a property of the solid. I've found images like this one helpful:

http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Images/Band.jpg

When you bring together a bunch of atoms to form a material, you suddenly have a bunch of similar energy levels from different atoms all overlapping. The energy levels don't like to sit directly on top of each other, so they kind of shift around, resulting in a bunch of very closely spaced energy levels, or bands.
 
mfb said:
Energy bands are a property of the whole solid object. While the individual states within these bands can be local (valence band), the "band" comes from the fact that you have a large amount of atoms in the material.

bcbwilla said:
Yeah, energy bands are a property of the solid. I've found images like this one helpful:

When you bring together a bunch of atoms to form a material, you suddenly have a bunch of similar energy levels from different atoms all overlapping. The energy levels don't like to sit directly on top of each other, so they kind of shift around, resulting in a bunch of very closely spaced energy levels, or bands.

Thank you very much. I think I may get it.
 
tomz said:
... So I take this time to read some physics ... are energy bands for every atoms in a solid (every single atom have energy band). Or the whole solid posses energy band (with each atom still have discrete energy level)? Or should I say the solid posses energy band with atom indistinguishable?

These questions are answered in detail by studying Condensed Matter (Physics of the Solid State). And in particular, the Band Theory of Solids.

A useful way to visualize the difference between conductors, insulators and semiconductors is to plot the available energies for electrons in the materials. Instead of having discrete energies as in the case of free atoms, the available energy states form bands.

band3.gif
 
Bands are properties of the whole solid - in principle.

There can be localized electrons "belonging" to a single atom even in a solid. In general, these are the core level electrons that are buried deep inside the atom so that their wave functions don't overlap much with the neighbors. For example the Uranium or Lead 1s electrons in a lead or uranium compound or alloy will remain very localized.

As a rule of thumb, when you look at the "spaghetti diagram" of energy vs. wave vector of the bands, the localized bands will be flat, and the delocalized (with contributions from many atoms) will have a strong dispersion (energy varies a lot).
 

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