Understanding Error in Measurement for Simple Pendulum Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding error in measurement specifically related to a simple pendulum experiment. Participants explore how to calculate and propagate errors in measurements of the pendulum's length and the acceleration due to gravity, as well as the implications of mathematical operations on these errors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate the error in the period of a pendulum, questioning the effects of taking the square root of the ratio (L/g) and multiplying by 2π on the error.
  • Another participant suggests using differentials to handle error propagation, providing a formula for the differential of the period T in terms of the length L and gravitational acceleration g.
  • A participant mentions that when measurements are independent, errors can be combined using quadrature, implying a method for calculating total error in more complex expressions.
  • There is a reference to a specific book on error propagation, which one participant recommends as essential reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating error, as there are differing approaches suggested, including the use of differentials and quadrature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of mathematical operations on error propagation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of error propagation rules in the context of their specific measurements and calculations, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for university students studying physics, particularly those interested in experimental methods and error analysis in measurements.

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Hi there

when doing an experiment with my university associated with my university related to a simple pendulum, I was not confident when calculating the error there was in my measurement, the relevant equation is:

T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{L}{g}}

where T=period L=length of pendulum and g=accel due to grav

my problem is with deciding the error in the period, I measure the length L which was 50cm+.5cm and took g as 9.8+.1 as this is a product (L/g) the general idea is we add the percentage error and of course if we are adding two quantities for example (distance1 + distance2) we add the absolute error.
But what I am not sure of is; does taking the square root of the expression (L/g) have any bearing on the error...also does multiplying by 2pi change the error, I think the multiplying by 2pi might for the following reason:
when you want the width of a piece of paper, it is better to measure 50 pieces of paper so we can then divide by 50 and reduce the error by a factor of 50...so I think it is possible that multiplying by 2pi might increase error by a factor of 2pi..

another example is if I measure the angle theta to accuracy of +1degree and then take the sine of theta, does taking the sine have an effect on the error?

I would be grateful if someone could answer these questions and also suggest rules of thumb when calculating error in more complicated expressions, as I am a third year university physics student now and am too embarassed to ask any of my teachers for advice on something I should have learned years ago!
 
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The simplest way to handle that is to use the differential. From T= 2\pi L^{1/2}g^{-1/2}, we have dT=\pi g^{-1/2}L^{-1/2}dL- \pi L^{1/2}g^{-3/2}dg. You are saying that L= 50 cm.= 0.5 m, dL= 0.5 cm= .005 m, g= 9.81 m/s^2, and dg= .1 m/s^2.
 
AStaunton said:
I would be grateful if someone could answer these questions and also suggest rules of thumb when calculating error in more complicated expressions, as I am a third year university physics student now and am too embarassed to ask any of my teachers for advice on something I should have learned years ago!

As HallsofIvy mentioned, the way to determine error propagation is to take the differential. When the different measurements are independent, the errors add in quadrature.

This is the essential book to read:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/093570275X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
The Taylor book is excellent. One case where you can judge a book by its cover.
 

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