Understanding Faraday's Law: Coil in Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around understanding Faraday's Law in the context of a ring-shaped coil placed in a magnetic field. The original poster is exploring the relationship between the change in magnetic flux through the coil and the total charge that flows through an external circuit connected to the coil.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the total charge Q is claimed to be independent of the rate of change of magnetic flux. They reference Faraday's Law and express confusion regarding the implications of initial and final magnetic flux values.
  • Some participants suggest looking at the relationship between current and voltage using Ohm's law, while others question the inclusion of certain terms in the equations being used.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of the electromotive force (emf) in relation to the change in flux.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of Faraday's Law and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of Ohm's law and the need to clarify the expressions used for emf. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the independence of charge from the rate of change of flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions of initial and final magnetic flux, as well as the assumptions underlying the application of Faraday's Law in this scenario. The original poster indicates that this inquiry is not a formal homework problem, which may influence the nature of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Actually this is not exactly a homework. I am trying to understand the following situation only.



Consider a ring shaped coil of N turns and area A. Connect it to an external circuit with a twisted pair of leads ( this info is trivial). The resistance of the circuit along with the coil itself is R. Now the coil in a magnetic field.

Suppose the flux through the coil is somehow altered from its initial steady state value (A) to final value (B).

The author claims that the total charge Q that flows through the circuit as a result is independent of the rate of change of the flux. I am having hard time understanding this. Can anyone help me understand it.



Homework Equations



\oint E.dl = -d\Phi/dt



The Attempt at a Solution



faraday's law is the most relevant law here, according to the book. But I am just not getting what the author is saying.
 
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I think this lecture covers a lot of what you want to know.
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/8/8.02/videolectures/wl-802-lec16-220k.ram

(Requires Real Player, if that's not a problem for you.)

About 11 minutes in if you are in a rush.
 
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thanks,

i followed the video. It was helpful.

However, i am still not sure about independence of charge with the rate of change of flux. On applying faraday's law

EMF = -Nd\Phi/dt

In the condition mention in the question above, B is the final M_flux A and the initial M_flux. We are trying to derive Q such that it is independent of d\Phi/dt.

I am confused with initial and final magentic flux. On just using d\Phi/dt, here is what i got

I = Nd\Phi cos(theta)/dt*(R)

and I = dQ/dt

But still Q is dependent on d\Phi/dt.

Any clue ?
 
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What is cos theta here? And try equating the expression for I with V/R where V is as given by Faraday's law.
 
cosine theta is a mistake here. It has to be omitted.

Yeah, i did use Ohm's law there.

But my confusion at this point is, since the final and initial fluxes are given, in Faraday's formula, should emf beemf = -N d(B-A)/dt or just -N d(flux)/dt ?

The final expression is supposed to show that Q is independent of rate of change of flux
 
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It should be emf = -\frac{B-A}{\delta t}.
 
did you forget N ?
 
No I didn't. N was already included in both B and A. Remember that B, A are themselves the flux through the coil. Anyway it should make no difference in the solution.
 

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