Understanding Green's Identity: Solving Laplace Equation for Harmonic Functions

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The discussion revolves around Green's identity and its application to harmonic functions, specifically in relation to the Laplace equation. Participants explore the implications of the identity and the nature of integrals involving harmonic functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that harmonic functions satisfy the Laplace equation and have continuous first and second partial derivatives, leading to the assertion that the integral of the Laplacian over a domain is zero if the function is harmonic.
  • Another participant agrees that the integral of zero is zero, questioning the need for further clarification on this point.
  • A participant attempts to clarify that if a function is harmonic, the Laplacian is identically zero, reinforcing that the integral of zero is indeed zero.
  • There is a reflection on the relationship between differentiation and integration, with a participant expressing confusion about the implications of integrating zero and seeking further understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the assertion that the integral of zero is zero and that harmonic functions lead to the Laplacian being identically zero. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications and understanding of these concepts, particularly in relation to integration and differentiation.

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Some participants express confusion about the foundational concepts, indicating a potential gap in understanding the relationship between harmonic functions, the Laplace equation, and the properties of integrals.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in mathematics and physics who are exploring the properties of harmonic functions and the application of Green's identities in solving differential equations.

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Harmonic function satisfies Laplace equation and have continuous 1st and 2nd partial derivatives. Laplace equation is [itex]\nabla^2 u=0[/itex].

Using Green's 1st identity:

[tex]\int_{\Omega} v \nabla^2 u \;+\; \nabla u \;\cdot \; \nabla v \; dx\;dy \;=\; \int_{\Gamma} v\frac{\partial u}{\partial n} \; ds[/tex]

[tex]v=1 \;\Rightarrow\; \int_{\Omega} \nabla^2 u \; dx\;dy \;=\; \int_{\Gamma} \frac{\partial u}{\partial n} \; ds = 0 \;\hbox { if } \;u \;\hbox{ is a harmonic function .}[/tex]

Why is it equal zero if u is harmonic function? Why is:

[tex]\int_{\Omega} \nabla^2 u \; dx\;dy =0 \hbox { if } \nabla^2 u =0[/tex]

Or more basic question:

What is [itex]\int_{\Gamma} 0 dxdy[/itex]? Is it not zero?
 
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The integral of zero is zero. I don't see a problem here.
 
jackmell said:
The integral of zero is zero. I don't see a problem here.

Thanks

So you mean:

[tex]\int_{\Omega} \nabla^2 u \; dx\;dy =0 \hbox { if } \nabla^2 u =0[/tex]?
 
yungman said:
Thanks

So you mean:

[tex]\int_{\Omega} \nabla^2 u \; dx\;dy =0 \hbox { if } \nabla^2 u =0[/tex]?

Youngman, I don't want to get over my head with this or nothing, but let me try to explain since I jumped in: if the function u is harmonic, then the Laplacian is zero, not a limit which approaches zero but identically zero and surely the integral of zero is just zero.
 
jackmell said:
Youngman, I don't want to get over my head with this or nothing, but let me try to explain since I jumped in: if the function u is harmonic, then the Laplacian is zero, not a limit which approaches zero but identically zero and surely the integral of zero is just zero.

I was just thinking if you differentiate x twice you get zero, if integration is the reverse of differentiation, should integrating zero be something! I dug up books and I did not see anything about this, that's why I posted.

Thanks for the help.
 

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