Understanding Index Notation: Multiplying Vectors & Tensors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of index notation in the context of multiplying vectors and tensors. Participants explore the implications of different indexed quantities and their mathematical operations, focusing on the structure and relationships between scalars, vectors, and tensors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the expression "a_i*e_ij*b_j" represents a multiplication of an nx1 vector, an mxm matrix, and an Lx1 vector, noting that such an operation would not be possible.
  • Another participant explains that indexing is used for components that are related, but the indices themselves do not imply a specific structure, suggesting that (x_i) could refer to various forms such as vectors or sequences.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of tensor notation, linking it to the discussion.
  • Another participant mentions the "Einstein summation convention," indicating that it denotes Cartesian Tensor Notation and notes that a comma in subscripts implies differentiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express different interpretations of index notation and its implications for mathematical operations, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the specific meanings or applications of the notation discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the definitions and structures of indexed quantities, as well as the conditions under which products of these quantities are defined. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the Einstein summation convention and differentiation notation.

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I have a general question about index notation.

For an arbitrary quantity, a,

"a" denotes a scalar quantity.
"a_i" denotes a vector.
"a_ij" denotes a 2nd-order tensor.

So, if I have something like "a_i*e_ij*b_j"

Would this be like multiplying an nx1 vector, an mxm matrix, and an Lx1 vector? It would not be a possible operation, but I'm wondering if that what it means when you multiply quantities like that.
 
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Indexing is usually used when you have components that are closely related, like entries in a matrix or sequence, but the indeces themselves do not imply any particular structure.

(x_i) could refer to a vector, sequence, n-tuple, or just a list of disparate objects.

Similarly (a_{ij}) could be the entries of an m x n matrix or a doubly indexed sequence of sequences (commonly seen in diagonalizing proofs).

Provided the products are defined, one could have all sorts of indeces running around in a product.

--Elucidus
 
You could be looking at Tensor notation:

www.fm.vok.lth.se/Courses/MVK140/tensors.pdf[/URL]
 
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That is known as the "Einstein summation convention" and should be denoting Cartesian Tensor Notation. Also if your subscripts are separated by a comma, that implys differentiation.
 

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