Understanding Negative Exponents and Bases in Algebraic Expressions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of negative exponents and bases in algebraic expressions, specifically focusing on the expression ##\left(-3\right)\left(-r^4\right)\left(-s^5\right##. Participants explore the implications of odd and even exponents on the sign of the results, as well as the differences between negative bases and negative values of expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the solution provided in a textbook, suggesting that the last factor should be negative due to the odd exponent on s.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between ##-r^4## and ##(-r)^4##, emphasizing that the latter results in a positive value, while the former remains negative.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the implications of even and odd exponents, asking whether both ##(-r)^4## and ##(-r)^5## yield positive and negative results, respectively.
  • Participants discuss how calculators handle negative bases and exponents, noting that the calculator computes step by step, which may lead to different interpretations of the expressions.
  • There is a mention of how the signs of results change based on whether the exponent is odd or even, with examples provided to illustrate this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of negative bases and exponents, with some agreeing on the mathematical principles while others remain uncertain about their application in specific cases. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the original expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between negative bases and negative values of expressions, as well as the role of calculators in interpreting these expressions. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of odd and even exponents on the overall sign of the results.

DS2C
Going through a problem and and I keep getting it wrong and I'm not sure why.
In a part of the problem, the expression ##\left(-3\right)\left(-r^4\right)\left(-s^5\right)## comes up and the solution that it's giving me is ##-3r^4s^5##
Wouldn't the last factor be ##-s^5## since the power of a base with an odd exponent should be negative? Not sure if I'm tripped up somewhere but the book specifically states this, and then gives this solution.
 
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DS2C said:
Going through a problem and and I keep getting it wrong and I'm not sure why.
In a part of the problem, the expression ##\left(-3\right)\left(-r^4\right)\left(-s^5\right)## comes up and the solution that it's giving me is ##-3r^4s^5##
Wouldn't the last factor be ##-s^5## since the power of a base with an odd exponent should be negative? Not sure if I'm tripped up somewhere but the book specifically states this, and then gives this solution.
There's a difference between ##-r^4## and ##(-r)^4## that you seem to be overlooking. The latter equals ##r^4##, which is the opposite sign of ##-r^4##. In the second and third factors, the bases are, respectively, r and s, not (-r) and (-s).
##(-3)(-r^4)(-s^5) = (-1)^3 \cdot 3r^4s^5 = -3r^4s^5##.
 
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To my understanding, ##-r^4## simply means "the negative of ##r^4##.
So ##-r^4=-\left(r\right)\left(r\right)\left(r\right)\left(r\right)##, and it will always be a negative no matter how many r factors there are and no matter if there is an even or odd amount.
Similarly, ##\left(-r\right)^4=\left(-r\right)\left(-r\right)\left(-r\right)\left(-r\right)=r^4##
However, if it were ##\left(-r\right)^5##, would this not be a negative since there is an odd exponent? Or am I just getting hung up on the even/odd exponent ordeal and way overthinking it? Will ##\left(-r\right)^4## and ##\left(-r\right)^5## BOTH have positive results?
For clarification, I plugged ##\left(-2\right)^5## into my calculator and it gave me -32. I then plugged in ##\left(-2\right)^6## and it gave me +64. So according to that train of thought, if the exponent is odd then the result will be negative and if the exponent is even then the result will be positive.
Kind of a dumb question, thank you for taking the time.
 
There is no (-r)5 involved.

Your expression is ##\left(-3\right)\left(-r^4\right)\left(-s^5\right) = (-3)(-(r^4))(-(s^5)) = (-3)(-1)(r^4)(-1)(s^5)## with additional brackets added to make the association clearer. If you simplify the last expression, you'll see that the exponents of r and s are irrelevant here.
 
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Ok I think I understand. I just used the ##\left(-r\right)^5## as an example not pulled from the actual expression.
I understand what youre both saying. But why does the calculator come up with something different, as in my last post?
 
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For clarification, I plugged ##\left(-2\right)^5## into my calculator and it gave me -32. I then plugged in ##\left(-2\right)^6## and it gave me +64. So according to that train of thought, if the exponent is odd then the result will be negative and if the exponent is even then the result will be positive.
##(-2)^5## is the same as ##(-1)^5(2)^5##, which is -32. For the other expression, you have ##(-1)^6## times ##2^6##, or 64.
 
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Ok thanks for the help everyone.
 
The calculator probably operates step by step. You type in -2, then ^5, and it calculates (-2)^5.
 

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