Understanding pH and Buffer Solutions: Acid-Salt Ratio and pKa vs. pH and pKb

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the preparation of buffer solutions, specifically focusing on the relationship between pH, pKa, and the acid-salt ratio. Participants explore how these factors influence the quantities of weak acid and salt needed in buffer solutions, as well as the implications of pKb and pOH in this context.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the pH is less than the pKa, more weak acid is needed compared to salt, while if the pH is greater than the pKa, more salt is required.
  • There is a suggestion that a similar relationship exists between pKb and pOH, with the idea that more salt is needed if pKb is larger and more base if pKb is smaller.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the scenario where pKa equals 14 minus pKb and expresses difficulty in visualizing the reasoning behind this relationship.
  • Another participant asserts that to lower the pH, the only method is to add more acid, although they acknowledge that this may not be effective in concentrated solutions or with very weak acids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that the relationship between pH and pKa influences the acid-salt ratio in buffer solutions. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of pKb and the specific reasoning when pKa equals 14 minus pKb, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in these areas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the reasoning behind certain relationships, particularly in the context of pKa and pKb. There are also mentions of potential exceptions in concentrated solutions or with weak acids, which may affect the general applicability of the claims made.

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This is not a homework question, so I cannot give exact values or anything, sorry.

If we have to make a buffer solution, and we know the pH and the pKa of the acid we are going to use, would it be true to say that if the pH < pKa, we will need more of the weak acid than salt? If pH > pKa, we would need more salt?

Same thing for the pKb and pOH (14 - pH), would we need more salt if the pKb was bigger? More base if the pKb was smaller?

If we have to prepare a buffer with a target pH, and pH = pKa, we need the same quantity of acid and salt respectively, correct? (so that pKa = pH - log1, since log1=0)
BUT if we have pKa = 14 - pKb, what would be the reasonning then? I have a bit of trouble visualizing all that.

Thank you,

~J.
 
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future_vet said:
If we have to make a buffer solution, and we know the pH and the pKa of the acid we are going to use, would it be true to say that if the pH < pKa, we will need more of the weak acid than salt? If pH > pKa, we would need more salt?

OK

Think in terms - add more acid to lower pH :smile:
 
So my first part would be right?
If the pH is lower than the pKa we need more acid?

Thanks,

~J.
 
Whatever pH you have, the only way to try to lower it is to add more acid. In concentrated solutions, or in case of really weak acid it may not work, but that's the only way of trying.
 
Thank you!
 

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