Understanding PhET simulation (Faraday's law)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the PhET simulation related to Faraday's law, specifically focusing on the behavior of a transformer setup involving an electromagnet, a circuit with a light bulb, and the effects of varying the number of loops in the circuit. Participants are exploring how these changes influence the brightness of the light bulb and the magnetic field generated.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the number of loops in the electromagnet and the circuit, questioning how this affects the magnetic field and the brightness of the light bulb. Some express confusion about the implications of the transformer equations and the role of magnetic flux.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and asking clarifying questions. Some have offered explanations regarding the relationship between turns and magnetic flux, while others are seeking further details about the simulation setup and operation.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific constraints related to the simulation's operation, including the need for Java and the method of running the simulation. Additionally, participants are questioning the assumptions regarding the magnetic field's behavior in direct current versus alternating current scenarios.

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Homework Statement


I am supposed to make a project based on this simulation, I am trying to see what is happening:

https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/faraday

If I go to the "Transformer" tab, I have an electromagnet and a circuit consisting of a loop of wire and a light bulb. I can change the current source to alternating current to induce current in the circuit and make the light bulb shine. If I increase either the number of loops in the electromagnet or the circuit, the light bulb shines brighter. According to my understanding, the brightness of a light bulb depends on the power which is the product of the current and the voltage. However, a transformer only changes voltage and current proportionally to each other so that power remains constant.

Homework Equations


V2 / V1 = N2 / N1 = I1 / I2;
P = IV;
B = unI;
n = N/l;

The Attempt at a Solution


If I use a field meter and a direct current source, I can see that the magnetic field is proportional to the number of loops for the electromagnet. The number of loops shouldn't matter due to the formula of magnetic field using "loop density" instead. Is this simulation incorrect, or is my understanding of this topic really off?
 
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sohjau said:

Homework Statement


I am supposed to make a project based on this simulation, I am trying to see what is happening:

https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/faraday

If I go to the "Transformer" tab, I have an electromagnet and a circuit consisting of a loop of wire and a light bulb. I can change the current source to alternating current to induce current in the circuit and make the light bulb shine. If I increase either the number of loops in the electromagnet or the circuit, the light bulb shines brighter. According to my understanding, the brightness of a light bulb depends on the power which is the product of the current and the voltage. However, a transformer only changes voltage and current proportionally to each other so that power remains constant.

Homework Equations


V2 / V1 = N2 / N1 = I1 / I2;
P = IV;
B = unI;
n = N/l;

The Attempt at a Solution


If I use a field meter and a direct current source, I can see that the magnetic field is proportional to the number of loops for the electromagnet. The number of loops shouldn't matter due to the formula of magnetic field using "loop density" instead. Is this simulation incorrect, or is my understanding of this topic really off?
Can you show the exact circuit your're working on? Where is the current source placed?
 
How exactly do I run the simulation. It just downloads a file. I clicked on the Software Required... all I need is Java, which I have.
 
scottdave said:
How exactly do I run the simulation. It just downloads a file. I clicked on the Software Required... all I need is Java, which I have.
I needed to open the file with an application called "Java Web Start".
 
cnh1995 said:
Can you show the exact circuit your're working on? Where is the current source placed?
Here is an example of what I mean about the light bulb shining brighter:
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Here is an example of the magnetic field increasing linearly with the number of loops in the electromagnet:
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The increased number of turns makes it easier for the magnetic flux to transfer.
 
scottdave said:
The increased number of turns makes it easier for the magnetic flux to transfer.
So, let's say this simulation used a typical transformer with two coils and an iron core. If the number of turns were increased, the magnetic field that the primary current produces wouldn't increase because there is already an iron core that helps the magnetic field propagate through, right?
 
sohjau said:
Here is an example of the magnetic field increasing linearly with the number of loops in the electromagnet:
Well, in case of your dc circuits (last two images), I believe the axial magnetic field 'B' shouldn't increase since it depends on turns/length (or turn-density as you said) and not on number of turns alone.

But in the first two circuits with alternating voltage, the increased number of turns of the bulb-coil in the second picture induces more voltage in it and hence the bulb glows brighter. Flux linkage of the secondary is given by NsΦp, where Φp is the part of primary flux that gets coupled with the secondary. As you can see, the flux-linkage of the secondary is proportional to the number of turns of the secondary and hence, the bulb glows brighter.
 
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