Understanding Phonons on a Lattice: Seeking Insight from Niles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of phonons in a lattice, particularly focusing on their momentum characteristics and the implications of the Born approximation. Participants explore the definitions and behaviors of phonons, including the distinction between true momentum and pseudomomentum, as well as the role of Umklapp processes in thermal conductivity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on a statement regarding phonons not carrying momentum, suggesting that phonons oscillate around a fixed origin, leading to momentum cancellation.
  • Another participant asserts that phonons possess a well-defined pseudomomentum and references Umklapp processes as mechanisms that affect total phonon momentum in a crystal.
  • A participant questions whether the original statement refers specifically to k = 0 phonons, which are noted as having zero momentum.
  • Discussion includes the idea that in a periodic crystal, conservation of momentum does not hold due to discrete translational symmetry, but pseudomomentum is conserved within the first Brillouin zone.
  • Further clarification is provided on the nature of pseudomomentum, emphasizing that it is defined up to the edge of the first Brillouin zone and can be translated back by reciprocal lattice vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of phonon momentum, with some emphasizing the concept of pseudomomentum and its conservation, while others challenge the notion that phonons do not carry momentum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the definitions of momentum and pseudomomentum in the context of phonons, as well as the impact of external potentials on momentum conservation.

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Hi all

My book says:

"The reason that phonons on a lattice do not carry momentum is that a phonon coordinate (except for wavevector K=0) involves relative coordinates of the atoms".

I can't quite figure this statement out. I understand the words, but I cannot see why it is an explanation.

Can you shed some light on this topic?


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Hi.

Read into something called the Born approximation for this lattice model where each atom is considered a harmonic oscillator. Basically, the mean position of the vibrating atom (its COM) does not change over time.

Such approximation is needed when making such a model. So you can consider every atom (each with its own fixed co-ordinate system) to be a classical harmonic oscillator, executing small oscillations about its mean position (origin of the relative co-ordinate system for that particular atom).

I guess now it can be understood. Phonons have energy, but no net momentum, as they keep going back and forth about a fixed origin, and in each cycle the momentum cancels itself out.
 
I don't really understand that. Phonons definitely have a well-defined pseudomomentum, and Umklapp processes which reduce the total momentum of phonons are responsible for keeping thermal conductivity finite in a perfect crystal. Is there more context to the statement in the book? Are they talking about only k = 0 phonons?
 
k=0 phonons are mentioned in the quote as the only phonons with actual momentum, which is 0.

But you say pseudo-momentum?
 
Yes.. in a periodic crystal you don't have continuous translational symmetry, so conservation of momentum doesn't hold. But due to the discrete translational symmetry there is a conservation law of the pseudomomentum vector k, where k is a vector in the first Brillouin zone.
 
kanato said:
Phonons definitely have a well-defined pseudomomentum, and Umklapp processes which reduce the total momentum of phonons are responsible for keeping thermal conductivity finite in a...

Ok, so Umklapp processes change the total phonon pseudomomentum. But then how can we talk about conservation of phonon-momentum?
 
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Conservation of total momentum you can't talk about, it doesn't exist in a system with an external potential. Pseudomomentum is conserved, even in Umklapp processes, but pseudomomentum is only well defined up to the edge of the first Brillouin zone, or more precisely, any function in the lattice of f(k) = f(k + K) where K is any integer combination of reciprocal lattice vectors. Only the value of k (the pseudomomentum in the first Brillouin zone) is conserved, if some process adds multiple pseudomomenta and gets a value outside the first BZ it will be translated back in by a vector K.
 

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