Understanding Reddening and Its Impact on Light Scattering in Astronomy

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The discussion revolves around the concept of reddening in astronomy, particularly how light scattering affects the perception of color in the sky. Participants explore the reasons behind why blue light is scattered more than red light, touching on various aspects of light behavior and human perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that blue light is scattered more easily than other colors due to its shorter wavelength, leading to a reddish appearance of the sky.
  • Another participant mentions that while violet light is scattered even more than blue, human sensitivity to blue light is why the sky appears blue.
  • A participant introduces an analogy comparing light scattering to social interactions at a party, suggesting that blue light is more prevalent due to its scattering behavior.
  • Rayleigh's Law of scattering is referenced, indicating that scattering is proportional to the inverse fourth power of wavelength, which supports the idea that shorter wavelengths scatter more.
  • There is a discussion about human eye sensitivity, with some participants asserting that the eye is more sensitive to blue light, while others argue that red light is better for seeing in the dark due to less scattering.
  • Confusion arises regarding the use of blue light in microscopes, with participants debating its effects on resolving power and the typical light sources used.
  • Some participants clarify the relationship between wavelength and frequency, with one admitting to a mix-up between the two concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons behind the scattering of light and the perception of color. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the sensitivity of the human eye to different wavelengths and the implications for microscopy.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about human perception and the specific conditions under which light scattering occurs. Some statements rely on definitions that are not universally agreed upon, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the explanations provided.

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Hello, all,

I have just learned reddening today from my "Foundations of Astronomy" course. The teacher explains that it is due to blue light is more easily being scattered than other light in the dust. But she did not gave us the sub-reason for this... :rolleyes: Could anybody here give me a hand?

Thanks
 
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The intensity of scattered light is inversely proportional to wavelength to fourth power. Thus the blue light, which has the smallest wavelength, is more easily scattered, and as the result the passing light looks reddish
 
Violet is scattered more, but the human eye is more sensitive to Blue - so the sky appears Blue to us.
 
But why not red?

Well, thanks a lot guys! However, there is still one thing that confuses me, which is according what drnikitin said, short wavelengh light is always more likely to be scattered than long wavelength light, so the sky should be red rather than blue, or it is just because of the sensitivity of human's eyes??.. :smile:
 
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Hi,

It can be understood this way...You know, that for EM waves, E=h\nu. where \nu is the frequency of the wave. Now scattering goes as inverse square E and hence as (\nu)^(-2). Hence the result..."Shorter wavelengths scatter more".

Now, this means blue will be scattered more than red. Now, one can set an analogy with a tea party in which there are two persons, one is very extrovert and interact with almost everyone in his course, whereas the other just comes to the party takes his part of refreshment and goes. If you are an observer (say, a photographer) observing the party. Whjom will you encounter the most? It is for sure, the former wil win the race and the later may go unnoticed.

Almost simillere thig happens. The red comes and goes almost rectilinear. So you will see red only if, it entered from the diagonaly opposite side and if you got a chance to have it fallen on your retina. But with blue, it comes through any direction, but due to continuous scattering feels up the whole space and you can't escape it falling on the retina...so al the way you see bule blue and blue
 
Everyone is neglecting the real thing, each one has his own explanation, might some be correct. But actually it is explained by the Rayleigh's Law of scattering, it is propotional to 1/(wavelength)^4.
This means shorter the wavelength larger the scattering, violet has shorer wavelength in the visible spectrum hence easily scatered but red do not this is the reason red signal are indicates danger.
 
OK, I got it. Thank you so much for your vivid analogies...

Because I thought the blue light has been scattered towards the outer space so that we shouldn't see it, but actually it is not.

I am still thinking about why human eyes are more sensitive to blue light, which will be my next thread in the biology forum...
 
Who said that the blue light is scattered towards the outer space, phenomena of scattering is diffrent from the reflection, silly.
If a human eye is more sensitive towards the blue light than in the dark blue light will help you to see things easily, but it is not so red light is more effective forseeing in dark.
 
I think that human eye is more sensitive to blue light. That is why blue light can be used in compound microscopes to see more details on the object. On the other hand red light is used to see in the dark for the reason that it scatters less.
 
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Ethanol said:
I think that human eye is more sensitive to blue light. That is why blue light can be used in compound microscopes to see more details on the object. On the other hand red light is used to see in the dark for the reason that it scatters less.
Do you know anything about resolving power of a microscope, it is inversly proportional to wavelength of the light used. blue light have large wavelength in visible spectrum, using it will decrease the resolving power of the microscope. And i never heard that blue light is used in microscopes usually it is sun light or light with the wavelength near to that's of the sunlight.
 
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aekanshchumber said:
Do you know anything about resolving power of a microscope, it is inversly proportional to wavelength of the light used. blue light have large wavelength in visible spectrum, using it will decrease the resolving power of the microscope. And i never heard that blue light is used in microscopes usually it is sun light or light with the wavelength near to that's of the sunlight.
Actually, blue light has a very short wavelength compared to red, which is quite long. It's the frequency of blue light that is large in comparison to red.
 
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turbo-1 said:
Actually, blue light has a very short wavelength compared to red, which is quite long. It's the frequency of blue light that is large in comparison to red.
thanks for the correction, i just mixed up frequencies with wavelength.
everything else is fine.
 
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