The masking effect of the sky scattering of visible light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the masking effect of sky scattering of visible light on atmospheric observations, particularly how this effect can obscure small objects like birds and balloons. Participants explore the implications of this scattering for observational techniques, including the use of infrared and radio waves to enhance visibility of such objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that sky scattering decreases with wavelength, being more pronounced in the blue spectrum and less so in the red, infrared, and radio wave sections.
  • Another participant highlights the masking effect of sky scattering on small atmospheric objects and suggests that using red filters can improve visibility through binoculars.
  • A participant proposes that using infrared cameras with specific filters can allow for the observation of objects like Mars during daylight, arguing that this method is more effective than traditional optical observations.
  • There is mention of established literature on scattering by aerosols and haze, referencing specific texts that discuss these phenomena in detail.
  • One participant emphasizes the practical applications of these observations for various groups, including bird watchers and military personnel, suggesting that systematic use of certain observational techniques can reveal non-standard objects in the sky.
  • Another point raised is the difference in power per Hz between optical and RF regions, which may affect the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) in observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the effectiveness of different observational techniques, particularly between optical methods with filters and infrared methods. There is no consensus on the superiority of one method over another, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the best approaches for atmospheric observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific technical literature and established theories related to light scattering, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the effectiveness of different observational techniques and the conditions under which they operate.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in atmospheric observations, including amateur astronomers, bird watchers, security personnel, and researchers in fields related to optics and atmospheric science.

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It is very well known that the sky scattering of visible light decrease with the wavelength, it is bigger in the blue portion of the spectrum( the reason why the sky is blue ) and is lower on the red portion of the spectrum, this scattering is even lower on the infrared section and lower still in the short radio wave section of the spectrum.

A less known effect of this scattering is its masking effect on small objects that are on the atmosphere, we know that in daylight this effect hides the stars and many other astronomical objects, but also that effect mask/hides small objects that are in the atmosphere, as high altitude birds, bugs, balloons, etc.

This masking effect is very easy to test by making atmospheric observations with binoculars and then doing the same observations placing red filters in front of the binoculars, by doing that many more details will be spotted just by placing red filters in front of the binoculars. So you can say that the spotting efficiency of binoculars increase by just placing red filters in front of them.

The effect is even more dramatic when moving to the infrared, you can spot easily Mars in daylight using a camera enabled to receive infrared and using a 950nm IR pass filter.

Moving then to the short radio wave section will allow you to spot many more objects that are masked by the sky scattering of visible light, because simply the scattering is lower in short radio waves.

These simple ideas lead to the design of very effective instruments for optical atmospheric observations.

Anybody that wants to make optical atmospheric observations should take in count the masking effect mentioned above. Then we have three options listed in order of effectiveness to make optical atmospheric observations:

1- Scan the sky using short radio waves, a radar and then aligned/centered with this radar place a telescope or high optical magnification scope, with this configuration any object spotted by the radar will be optically visible in the telescope section.

2- Scan the sky using a modified camera IR enabled, using a 950nm or 1000nm IR pass filter, then also aligned/centered with the field of view(FOV) of this camera place a telescope or high optical magnification scope, with this configuration any object spotted by the infrared camera and centered in its FOV will be optically visible in the telescope. Even when this option is less effective than using radars it is very effective spotting small objects in the sky, for example Mars will be easily spotted in daylight using such a setup, many "local" objects will be spotted too.

3- Scan the sky using a scope with red filters.

This is an example of how very simple ideas from elementary physics actually drive the design of very effective instruments.

The systematic use of the instruments listed in options 1 and 2, mainly option 2 in atmospheric observations actually are helping in the discovery and study of new atmospheric characteristics.
 
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Scattering by aerosols/haze, etc. (including rain) is a well-studied topic. van de Hulst's classic "Light Scattering by Small Particles" has a chapter, for example. Crane's book "Electromagnetic Wave Propagation Through Rain" is another. MODTRAN and HITRAN codes account for haze.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Scattering by aerosols/haze, etc. (including rain) is a well-studied topic. van de Hulst's classic "Light Scattering by Small Particles" has a chapter, for example. Crane's book "Electromagnetic Wave Propagation Through Rain" is another. MODTRAN and HITRAN codes account for haze.

Thanks for the references, my post was mainly directed to people making optical atmospheric observations, like high altitude birds watchers, security/military people and even UFO observers(even when that could be considered taboo/no-go zone in sites like this one), there are many objects in the sky that are not the standard mundane objects that a no initiated in atmospheric observations could expect. Building and using systematically any of the two first options, option 2 is actually very easy and relatively cheap to build for any person with very limited technical skills, will reveal many of these non mundane objects, it is really very worth the try.
 
jeremyjr said:
The effect is even more dramatic when moving to the infrared, you can spot easily Mars in daylight using a camera enabled to receive infrared and using a 950nm IR pass filter.
Also, the spectrum of energy from the Sun means that there is much less power per Hz in the RF region than in the optical region. This can also have an effect on what is effectively the SNR of observations at RF (when the spectrum of the signal from the observed object is different from that of the Sun).
 

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