Understanding Spin in Quantum Mechanics: What Does Measuring Along an Axis Mean?

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The discussion centers on the concept of spin in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the measurement of spin along different axes for spin-1/2 particles. Participants explore the implications of measuring spin along the Z axis and the conventions used in expressing spin states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for a spin-1/2 particle, the possible spin states are represented as spin up (ms = 1/2) and spin down (ms = -1/2), and questions the meaning of measuring spin "along the Z axis."
  • Another participant clarifies that "spin up" and "spin down" do not imply that the spin angular momentum is strictly aligned with the Z direction, but rather convey a general orientation.
  • A participant explains that the Z axis is determined by experimental setup, such as in the Stern-Gerlach experiment, and relates it to orbital angular momentum in atoms.
  • There is a discussion about the convention of expressing arbitrary spinors as linear combinations of projections on the Z axis, with one participant seeking clarification on how to express projections on the X axis.
  • Another participant suggests that to express the spin down angular momentum on the X axis, one must write down the S_x operator and find its eigenvectors, which span the space of spin-1/2 spinors.
  • A later reply discusses the matrix representation of S_x in the basis of Z axis eigenstates and provides a specific expression for the spin down state on the X axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conventions used in quantum mechanics regarding spin measurements and the representation of spin states, but there are ongoing questions about the implications and interpretations of these conventions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the nature of spin measurements and the mathematical representations involved, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and conventions without resolving all underlying assumptions.

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I'm currently taking a first course in quantum mechanics and we just recently introduced generalized angular momentum.

Now, take the special case of a spin-1/2 particle. If i understood this correctly there are two possibilities spin up: ms = 1/2 , and spin down ms = -1/2 , this comes from the fact that ms can take on the values +s,..-s where s is the spin quantum number.

The eigenvalues of the SZ operator are ms[itex]\hbar[/itex], so these are the values the spin can take on when measured along the Z axis. Now this is what confuses me, what is meant by measuring the spin "along the Z axis" or along any axis for that matter, is this some sort of projection of the spin on the Z axis?

What bothers me is i think of spin as some property of the particle, its either up or down, so what's with the measurement along some axis. Whats the purpose of this, can't we just say that its up or down and be done with it?

Hope i made some sense of what confuses me, lol.
 
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"Spin up" and "spin down" don't mean that the spin angular momentum is literally exactly along the +z or -z directions. They're just intended to convey the general orientation. For an electron, the magnitude of the spin angular momentum is

$$S = \sqrt{s(s+1)} \hbar =\sqrt{\frac{1}{2} \left( \frac{1}{2} +1 \right)} \hbar = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \hbar$$

and the projection of that magnitude along the z-direction is

$$S_z = \pm \frac{1}{2} \hbar$$

so the vector ##\vec S## is clearly at an angle with respect to the z-direction.
 
what is meant by measuring the spin "along the Z axis" or along any axis for that matter, is this some sort of projection of the spin on the Z axis?
Yes ...

In addition to jtbell;
The "z-axis" has to be determined by something - in the Stern-Gerlach experiment, it is determined by the apparatus ... in an atom, by the orbital angular momentum.

See also:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/qangm.html
 
Right, so that makes sense then. Thank you.

So the choice of expressing an arbitrary spinor as a linear combination of the projections of spin up and down on the Z axis is just by convention?

Now, this also confuses me a bit, say i want to express the projection of the spin down angular moment on the x-axis , | βX > as such a linear combination, how would i go about doing that?
 
Jomenvisst said:
So the choice of expressing an arbitrary spinor as a linear combination of the projections of spin up and down on the Z axis is just by convention?

Yes.

Jomenvisst said:
Now, this also confuses me a bit, say i want to express the projection of the spin down angular moment on the x-axis , | βX > as such a linear combination, how would i go about doing that?

First you need to write down the S_x operator. Then you need to find the eigenvectors of the S_x operator. You should find that there are two of them, and that they span the space of spin-1/2 spinors, so you can represent any spinor as a linear combination of these eigenvectors.
 
Ok, things seem a lot clearer now after this and after i did some exercises. Thanks a lot.

In the basis { |[itex]\alpha[/itex] z > , | β z >} the matrix representation of S_x is:
Sx= ( [itex]\hbar[/itex] /2 ) σx. ( Pauli matrix)
Which has the eigenvalues +- ( [itex]\hbar[/itex] /2 ).
z> is the eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue -( [itex]\hbar[/itex] /2 ).
Using this we find |βx> = (1/√2)( |[itex]\alpha[/itex] z > - | β z > ).

Sound about right?
 

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