Understanding Spring Lifespan: Insights from a Mechanical Engineering Student

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The discussion revolves around the lifespan of springs in mechanical engineering, particularly focusing on whether springs can last indefinitely if not pushed past their stress point, or if they inevitably wear out over time due to cyclic loading. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical implications for machine design, and material properties related to fatigue.

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  • One participant recalls reading that springs should last indefinitely as long as they are not pushed past their stress point, but questions this due to conflicting information received.
  • Another participant mentions that a structure is assumed to last indefinitely if it can endure at least 10e6 cycles, referencing criteria such as modified Goodman, Elliptical, or ASME for determining lifespan under oscillating stress.
  • A third participant notes that most steel springs have an endurance or fatigue limit, below which they can theoretically endure infinite cycles, while aluminum does not exhibit this limit.
  • One participant explains that each stress cycle reduces the maximum allowed stress, leading to eventual failure after many cycles, suggesting a need for further reading on fatigue loading mechanisms.

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Participants express differing views on the lifespan of springs, with some suggesting they can last indefinitely under certain conditions, while others emphasize the inevitability of wear over time due to cyclic loading. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Limitations include assumptions about material properties, the specific definitions of fatigue limits, and the impact of other factors on a part's lifespan that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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So currently I'm in school for Mechanical Engineering, though I got a general question.

I could have sworn that I read in my physics book working up to the point I am now reading that as long as a spring isn't pushed past it's stress point that it should last forever. Though now I have had someone trying to tell me that it would last only so many cycles and wear out over time ? I'd suppose this would be somewhat important to know for sure when designing machines.

If anyone could answer that would be great.

Thanks.
 
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If a structure is known to last at least 10e6 cycles, then its life is assumed infinite. The life of a structure under oscillating stress is generally determined by one of three different criteria, the modified Goodman, Elliptical, or ASME (i think?) criteria.

And yes, this is VERY important for any machine design.
 
A quick google gave me this link:

http://www.mech.uwa.edu.au/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigue.html

Summarizing a little, since most springs are made of steel, they have an endurance or fatigue limit. This is a strength that which below, the part can "theoretically" endure infinite cycles. Aluminum materials typically do not exhibit this limit, but since steels do, there is a stress that which below you can assume infinite cycles (give yourself a good safety factor though).

In real life, one would need to account for other factors which may limit a parts life
 
Think of it this way, each stress cycle lowers the maximum allowed stress a lil bit. So after many many cycles, maximum permissible stress ll come near to the operating stress, & failure.
This is just a crude explanation. Read mechanism of fatigue loading from metallurgy book to understand it in a better way.
 

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