Understanding Tangent Space Basis: Proving Intuitively

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the basis for the tangent space in differential geometry, specifically the representation of tangent vectors and the intuition behind the basis elements, such as \(\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}\). Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including notation, coordinate patches, and the relationship between directional derivatives and tangent vectors.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the basis for the tangent space being \(\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}\) and seeks an intuitive proof.
  • Another participant clarifies that a tangent vector in \(\mathbb{R}^k\) can be expressed in terms of coordinate patches and derivatives, suggesting that the set \(\{ (\alpha(x); \frac{\partial \alpha}{\partial x_i}) : 1 \le i \le k \}\) spans \(T_p(M)\).
  • A different viewpoint suggests that directional derivatives correspond to projections into the components of a vector, indicating that \((x,y) = x(1,0) + y(0,1)\) establishes \(\{(1,0),(0,1)\}\) as a basis.
  • One participant questions the necessity of coordinate patches in the explanation and seeks clarification on notation used in the context of tangent vectors.
  • Another participant agrees with a correction regarding the notation for expressing tangent vectors, emphasizing the distinction between inner products and vector notation.
  • A participant references a proof from a specific book on differential geometry, suggesting it is widely recognized in the literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the notation and concepts related to tangent spaces. There is no consensus on a single intuitive proof or explanation, and multiple viewpoints on the use of coordinate patches and notation are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate confusion regarding the notation and the role of coordinate patches in understanding tangent spaces. There are unresolved questions about the clarity of the definitions and the implications of the notation used.

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I am unable to understand as to how the basis for the tangent space is
\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}. Can this be proved ,atleast intuitively?
Bachman's Forms book says that if co-ordinates of a point "p" in plane P are (x,y), then
\frac{d(x+t,y)}{dt}=\left\langle 1,0\right\rangle \frac{d(x,y+t)}{dt}=\left\langle 0,1\right\rangle denote vectors in \T_{p}(P) , in fact they are the basis.
Also any point of T_{p}(P) is dx\left\langle 0,1\right\rangle +dy\left\langle 1,0\right\rangle ;dx,dy\in\mathbb{R}
where does this "t" come from...is it a result of parametrization??

This topic has propped up a few times in this forum, but after having gone through them I am still confused. I would appreciate any help.
I hope I am not breaking any forum rules.
 
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First let me get some notation out of the way: If x \in \mathbb{R}^k then a tangent vector to \mathbb{R}^k at x is denoted by (x;v) for some v \in \mathbb{R}^k. Note that (x; v) + (x; w) = (x; v + w) and if c is a scalar then c(x;v) = (x; cv)

Now, if M is a k-manifold in \mathbb{R}^n then for any p \in M, if \alpha is a coordinate patch about p such that \alpha(x) = p for some x in \mathbb{R}^k, then T_p(M) = \{ (\alpha(x); D\alpha(x) v) : v \in \mathbb{R}^k \}.

Now that that's out of the way, choose any tangent vector in T_p(M). Say we choose (\alpha(x); D\alpha(x)v') Note that v' = \sum_{i = 1}^k c_i e_i for some scalars c_i. So (\alpha(x); D\alpha(x)v') = (\alpha(x); D\alpha(x) \sum_{i = 1}^k c_i e_i) = \sum_{i=1}^k c_i (\alpha(x); D\alpha(x) e_i) = \sum_{i=1}^k c_i (\alpha(x); \frac{\partial \alpha}{\partial x_i}).

Thus we see that \{ (\alpha(x); \frac{\partial \alpha}{\partial x_i}) : 1 \le i \le k \} spans T_p(M). Linear independence of the set is guaranteed because since \alpha is a coordinate patch about p, D\alpha(x) has rank k. That's how the set is a basis.
 
Pakuskar:

I think Bachman is trying to use the fact that directional derivatives are just the
derivatives along the directions of the x-y planes dotted --dot product with--the
direction of the product; you can see dx, dy respectively as the projections into
the first, second components of a vector (x,y). In this sense, (x,y)=x(1,0)+y(0,1),
so that {(1,0),(0,1)} are a basis. There is too, the correspondence between a vector,
and the directional derivative in the direction of the vector.

But the notation is confusing--welcome to Differential Geometry.
 
first of all thanks a ton both of u...JG89 and Bacle...
@JG89...i know very little about patches ...i am using Barrett O'Neill...but the content of ur post is pretty clear...however can this be done without bringing in patches??...
also..by Bacle's statement...shudnt it be
dx\left\langle 1,0\right\rangle +dy\left\langle 0,1\right\rangle ;dx,dy\in\mathbb{R}
and those brackets don't denote inner product by the book...they just denote vectors in
T_{p}(P)
and yes the 2 angled bracket elements are basis of the tangent space
 
Yes, Paluskar, I think it should be dx(1,0)+dy(0,1).
 
paluskar said:
I am unable to understand as to how the basis for the tangent space is
\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}. Can this be proved ,atleast intuitively?
I like the proof in Isham's book "Modern differential geometry for physicists". I think it's the same as the one in Wald's GR book, so I'm guessing that it appears in lots of books. You will have to read section 2.3.5, starting on page 79. The actual proof is on pages 82-84.
 

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