Understanding Tensors & Knot Theory in Physics

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between knot theory and physics, specifically focusing on the mathematical concepts of tensor products and their application in understanding quantum link invariants. Participants are exploring the notation and implications of vector spaces of the form ##V\otimes V## and its relevance in the context of trivial knots in spacetime diagrams.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the notation ##V\otimes V##, assuming it refers to a tensor product, and requests a summary of its mathematical representation.
  • The same participant expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of ##M^{ab}##, ##M_{ab}##, and the elements represented by (1) and ##(e_{ab})## within the context of the tensor product.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of non-paywall methods to access the referenced paper, though the legality of such methods is questioned.
  • A later reply provides an explanation of the elements of ##V\otimes V##, describing them as sums of rank one matrices and discussing the bilinear properties of tensor products compared to direct sums.
  • Further clarification is offered on the naturalness of using tensor products versus direct sums, highlighting the operational differences between the two.

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Participants generally agree on the need for clarification regarding tensor products and their mathematical implications, but there is no consensus on the interpretation of specific terms or the legality of accessing the paper without institutional access.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of various mathematical terms and notations, which may depend on specific contexts or assumptions not fully articulated in the discussion.

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Hello everyone! I'm currently self studying knot theory and I am at the point where I am looking at its relationship with other fields. I am a math and physics student, but my physics understanding is far behind my understanding of math. Hence, I would really like some help interpreting some sections of a paper I'm reading: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960077997000957.

Currently, I am looking at the section on quantum link invariants, and specifically the simple case of a trivial knot in a spacetime diagram.
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I understand this section pretty well, until they say that it is "natural" to take a vector space of the form ##V\otimes V##. I don't really think I'm familar with this notation? I assume that it is a tensor product. Could someone give me a TLDR of what exactly this represents mathematically? Then, what exactly is meant by "factor of the tensor product"?
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This section also confuses me. However, I think I simply do not understand the structure of ##V\otimes V##, and hence I don't really know how to interpret ##M^{ab}## and ##M_{ab}##. For that matter, what do (1) and ##(e_{ab})## represent. Are these vectors or elements of ##V\otimes V##?

I'd love it if someone could help me out, I'd love to have a better grasp of this content.
 
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Is there a non-paywall version of this paper? It's been years since I was last institutionalized.
 
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I don't know about the legality of such actions, but there do exist ways to access the paper without institution access.
 
lekh2003 said:
Hello everyone! I'm currently self studying knot theory and I am at the point where I am looking at its relationship with other fields. I am a math and physics student, but my physics understanding is far behind my understanding of math. Hence, I would really like some help interpreting some sections of a paper I'm reading: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960077997000957.

Currently, I am looking at the section on quantum link invariants, and specifically the simple case of a trivial knot in a spacetime diagram. View attachment 296214
I understand this section pretty well, until they say that it is "natural" to take a vector space of the form ##V\otimes V##. I don't really think I'm familar with this notation? I assume that it is a tensor product. Could someone give me a TLDR of what exactly this represents mathematically? Then, what exactly is meant by "factor of the tensor product"?
View attachment 296215
This section also confuses me. However, I think I simply do not understand the structure of ##V\otimes V##, and hence I don't really know how to interpret ##M^{ab}## and ##M_{ab}##. For that matter, what do (1) and ##(e_{ab})## represent. Are these vectors or elements of ##V\otimes V##?

I'd love it if someone could help me out, I'd love to have a better grasp of this content.
Have a read:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-is-a-tensor/

The elements of ##V\otimes V## are ##\sum_\rho u_\rho \otimes v_\rho## where ##u_\rho## is the first factor and ##v_\rho## the second, both vectors in ##V##. ##u_\rho \otimes v_\rho## can be considered as matrix multiplication, but column times row so that they represent a rank one matrix. Summing finitely many of them allows a representation of any ##n \times n## matrix. Hence if you like, you can consider ##V\otimes V## as the set of square matrices. To see it as a matrix, we need basis vectors, e.g. spin.

The crucial points of a tensor product are, that it is bilinear as an ordinary product (distributive law in both arguments) and that ##\alpha u\otimes v= u\otimes \alpha v## for all scalars ##\alpha. ##

Whether ##V\otimes V## in contrast to ##V\oplus V## is natural, is another question. The main difference is that we have ##(x+y)\otimes z=x\otimes z +y\otimes z## in a tensor product, however, ##(x+y,z)\neq (x,z)+(y,z)=(x+y,2z)## in a direct sum. So the tensor product is natural because we can have operations on the first particle that do not affect the second particle, whereas a sum is always a pair and the single factors cannot be dealt with without the other.
 
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