Understanding the Accelerating Expansion of the Universe

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The discussion revolves around the accelerating expansion of the universe, exploring how this phenomenon affects the distribution of galaxies over time and space. Participants examine the implications of observing distant galaxies and the nature of cosmic expansion, using analogies to clarify their understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while galaxies far from us appear to be moving apart faster than nearby galaxies, this perception may be misleading when considering the perspective from those distant galaxies.
  • Another participant clarifies that the acceleration of the universe's expansion is uniform over time rather than space, suggesting that the expansion rate remains consistent at any given moment.
  • A participant poses a question about whether current observations indicate that the universe is accelerating today or if we are observing a past period of expansion, using an analogy of a delayed traffic cam to illustrate the concept.
  • In response, another participant asserts that the universe is indeed accelerating today and that this acceleration began several billion years ago, with expectations that it will stabilize at a slightly higher rate than currently observed.
  • Further discussion introduces the cosmological constant as a model explaining the acceleration, positing that it constitutes a significant portion of the universe's energy density and remains constant as other forms of energy dilute over time.
  • A participant humorously relates the concept of constant acceleration to their earlier analogy, suggesting that the cosmological constant implies a scenario without external factors like braking or narrowing paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the implications of cosmic expansion and the nature of observations. While some points are clarified, there is no consensus on the broader implications of these observations or the analogies used to explain them.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on different models and analogies to frame their understanding, which may introduce assumptions about the nature of cosmic expansion and observational limitations. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the implications of the cosmological constant and the nature of acceleration.

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ok, the universe's expansion is accelerating. I assume the galaxies very far from us are moving apart faster than the galaxies close to us and so the galaxies out there are spaced out much more than our nearby galaxies. However, if one was sitting in one of those far out galaxies, one would think that a far out galaxy such as ours would be very spaced out from other galaxies but we know that we are not that spaced out. What's the deal, where am i going wrong here?
 
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keepit said:
ok, the universe's expansion is accelerating. I assume the galaxies very far from us are moving apart faster than the galaxies close to us and so the galaxies out there are spaced out much more than our nearby galaxies. However, if one was sitting in one of those far out galaxies, one would think that a far out galaxy such as ours would be very spaced out from other galaxies but we know that we are not that spaced out. What's the deal, where am i going wrong here?
The acceleration of the expansion is over time, not over space. The expansion rate is the same everywhere at any given time. We can see the expansion by looking far away because when we look far away, we are looking into the past.
 
Chalnoth,
Thank you much for very clear explanation.
 
This may have been asked and answered before but I could not find it so here goes: Based on current observations is the universe accelerating its expansion today or are we viewing a past period of expansion? This question struck me as I was viewing a traffic cam of the interstate where cars were definitely accelerating in the view...problem is there was a 90 second delay in the feed so the accelerating cars that I was looking at then were actually slowing down several miles ahead as the road narrows. How is this crude analogy reconciled by our current observations of distant galaxies with respect to time?
 
helios1 said:
This may have been asked and answered before but I could not find it so here goes: Based on current observations is the universe accelerating its expansion today or are we viewing a past period of expansion? This question struck me as I was viewing a traffic cam of the interstate where cars were definitely accelerating in the view...problem is there was a 90 second delay in the feed so the accelerating cars that I was looking at then were actually slowing down several miles ahead as the road narrows. How is this crude analogy reconciled by our current observations of distant galaxies with respect to time?
It's accelerating today. The acceleration began a few billion years ago, and has been increasing since (it is expected to limit out at slightly more acceleration than the current value).
 
Chalnoth said:
...it is expected to limit out at slightly more acceleration than the current value

What's behind that expectation?
 
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What's behind that expectation?
Basically, the simplest model that explains the observations is the cosmological constant, which is currently at around 70% of the energy density of the observable universe. Other stuff will dilute away, but the density of the cosmological constant will stay the same. Once everything else has diluted away from the expansion, the acceleration will be a constant.
 
I see. So in my previous analogy, constant acceleration is inferred by the cosmological constant which holds that there is no narrowing of the road ahead, braking etc. just a foot on the pedal and unlimited free gas :smile:
 

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