Understanding the Complex Conjugate Property in Fourier Transform

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The discussion revolves around the complex conjugate property in the context of Fourier transforms, focusing on the mathematical derivations and potential errors in calculations. Participants explore the implications of different definitions of the Fourier transform and the consistency required in the application of these definitions.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant presents a derivation involving the complex conjugate of a function and its Fourier transform, leading to what they perceive as conflicting results.
  • Several participants identify a sign error between specific steps in the derivation, suggesting that this may be the source of confusion.
  • Another participant points out the importance of using a consistent definition of the Fourier transform, noting that variations exist primarily due to differing constants in front of the integral.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for consistency in the choice of exponential terms (either \(e^{ikx}\) or \(e^{-ikx}\)) when applying the Fourier transform.
  • A later reply highlights that while the real parts of functions may be transformed, their Fourier transforms are not necessarily real, introducing additional complexity to the discussion.

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Participants generally agree that there are errors in the calculations presented, particularly regarding signs and definitions. However, multiple competing views remain regarding the correct interpretation of the Fourier transform and its properties, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants note that there are various definitions of the Fourier transform, which can lead to different interpretations and results. The discussion also reflects uncertainty in the application of complex conjugates and their implications in Fourier analysis.

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[##f^*## represents complex conjugate of ##f##. ]

[##\widetilde{f}(k)## represents Fourier transform of the function ##f(x)##.]

$$\begin{align}
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f^*(x)e^{ikx}\,dx&=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f^*(x)\left(e^{-ikx}\right)^*\,dx\\
&=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(f(x)e^{-ikx}\right)^*\,dx\\
&=\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}\,dx\right)^*\\
&=\left[\widetilde{f}(k)\right]^*\\
\end{align}
$$
Now, let
$$f(x)=u(x)+iv(x)$$
where ##u(x)## and ##v(x)## are the real and imaginary parts of ##f(x)##.
Again, we have,
$$\begin{align}
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f^*(x)e^{ikx}\,dx&=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left(u(x)-iv(x)\right)e^{ikx}\,dx\\
&=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}u(x)e^{-i(-k)x}\,dx-i\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}v(x)e^{-i(-k)x}\,dx\\
&=\widetilde{u}(-k)-i\widetilde{v}(-k)\\
&=\left[\widetilde{u}(-k)+i\widetilde{v}(-k)\right]^*\\
&=\left[\widetilde{f}(-k)\right]^* \text{ [using linearity property of Fourier transform]}

\end{align}
$$
So, I am getting different results. What is wrong with this calculation.
 
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There is a sign error between (3) and (4).
 
mfb said:
There is a sign error between (3) and (4).
I used the defination,
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}\,dx=\widetilde{f}(k)$$
 
arpon said:
I used the defination,
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}\,dx=\widetilde{f}(k)$$
Well, not quite. The definition is \widetilde f(k)= \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}dx
 
Svein said:
Well, not quite. The definition is \widetilde f(k)= \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}dx

There are actually many non-equivalent definitions. Most just differ in the constant in front.
 
Well, it doesn't matter which definition you use, but keep it consistent. Either eikx or e-ikx. Using the former, (3) is the Fourier transform for -k instead of k.
 
mfb said:
Well, it doesn't matter which definition you use, but keep it consistent. Either eikx or e-ikx. Using the former, (3) is the Fourier transform for -k instead of k.
I did not understand why (3) is the Fourier transform of -k instead of k. Look, I used the defination,
$$
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}\,dx=\widetilde{f}(k)\\
$$
Taking complex conjugate on both sides,
$$
\left(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-ikx}\,dx\right)^*=\left[\widetilde{f}(k)\right]^*\\
$$
So (3) and (4) are justified.
 
Ah, I misread the signs, sorry.

There is a mistake between (7) and (8). u and v are real, but their Fourier transformations in general won't be real. You can use ##\widetilde{u}(-k) = \widetilde{u}(k)^*##:

$$\begin{align}
\widetilde{u}(-k)-i\widetilde{v}(-k)
&= \widetilde{u}(k)^* -i \widetilde{v}(k)^*\\
\end{align}$$

Not sure how to simplify that.
 
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