Understanding the Concept of Disorder in Basic Statistics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of disorder in basic statistics, particularly in relation to the variation of a random variable X and its interpretation. Participants explore the implications of measuring disorder through statistical variation, using examples from physics and other contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the variation V(X) = E(X)^2 - (x-bar)^2 represents disorder, questioning the correctness of this interpretation.
  • Another participant counters by suggesting that the interpretation of disorder is context-dependent, using the example of gas molecules in a box to illustrate how the same variation can imply different levels of disorder based on the size of the box.
  • A third participant challenges the relevance of position in the context of gas molecules, suggesting that a different perspective, such as that of a drunk person, may provide more insight into disorder.
  • A later reply questions the initial claim about disorder, arguing that while variation can be calculated, it does not inherently convey information about the disorder of the system, especially as it may change with different parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of disorder and its relationship to statistical variation. There is no consensus on whether the proposed definition of disorder is valid, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of disorder interpretation on context and the potential variability of statistical measures with different parameters, such as sample size and measurement conditions.

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Ok, so we have a parameter X say.
Now, we have a mean x-bar, that is the mean, X being random.
Now, by basic statistics, the variation , that is

V(X) = E (X)^2 - (x-bar)^2

is the disorder. Is it so?
The interpretation of the disorder by me is correct or not?
I have nice property of disorder then!

:!)
 
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I don't think so. Say X is the position of a molecule of a gas in a box. You have determined the variation from the mean position of every molecule in your function. How big is the box? One number that would describe the variation in a box, say, a metre cubed may well seem disorderly, but if the box was a kilometre cubed the same value would seem highly (almost impossibly) ordered.
 
Position does not makes sense in case of a Gas.
It makes sense sometimes in the context of a drunk person.
Think it from that perspective.

Cheers.
BTW, if the box is 1 KM, sir, then again we have certainly more disorder to achieve...remember the diffusion?
That is the phenomenon.
 
Eh? I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or agreeing. Yes, you may calculate another value and show that the disorder has increased, but nonetheless your original value did not say anything about the disorder of the system and you would no reason to believe the next one would. Even if you take the size of the box into account and make sure you take your measurement when the variation had converged, the variation would still change with other parameters (such as sample size) while the disorder would remain constant.
 

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