Understanding the Conversion of Energy Forms in Particle Interactions

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The discussion focuses on the conversion of energy forms in particle interactions, particularly examining the role of force-carrying particles in processes such as bremsstrahlung emission and particle-antiparticle annihilation. It encompasses theoretical aspects of particle physics, quantum field theory, and conservation laws.

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  • Some participants inquire about the force-carrying particles involved in converting kinetic energy of charged particles into electromagnetic radiation during bremsstrahlung emission.
  • Others assert that charged particles interact directly with photons, suggesting no intermediary force carriers are involved in this conversion.
  • A participant raises a question about the conditions under which matter-antimatter annihilation occurs, specifically why it is not observed between two massive particles like electrons.
  • Some participants discuss conservation laws that would be violated if two identical massive particles were to annihilate, noting that particle-antiparticle interactions do not violate these laws.
  • A hypothetical scenario is proposed regarding a particle with the same properties as a positron but without mass, questioning its ability to annihilate with an electron.
  • One participant explains that leptons can only annihilate with their corresponding antiparticles from the same family, referencing the structure of the Standard Model.
  • Another participant describes the concept of annihilation in the context of quantum field theory, emphasizing the relationship between particles and antiparticles as states of the same quantum field.
  • Participants express interest in resources for further study on quantum field theory and related topics, with recommendations provided for various texts.

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Participants express differing views on the role of force carriers in energy conversion processes and the conditions for particle annihilation. There is no consensus on the hypothetical scenarios presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of particles and the framework of quantum field theory, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored by all participants. The complexity of conservation laws and their implications in particle interactions is also acknowledged but not fully resolved.

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Different forces (e.g. electromagnetism, colour) are mediated via different force-carrying particles (e.g. photon, gluon). When converting from one form of energy to another, what force-carrying particles are involved in converting acceleration (or more generally a change in kinetic energy) of charged particles into electromagnetic radiation as observed in bremsstrahlung emission?
 
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TheCanadian said:
When converting from one form of energy to another, what force-carrying particles are involved in converting acceleration (or more generally a change in kinetic energy) of charged particles into electromagnetic radiation as observed in bremsstrahlung emission?

None. Charged particles interact directly with photons (EM radiation).
 
PeterDonis said:
None. Charged particles interact directly with photons (EM radiation).

Ahh yes, here's a different example although perhaps more in line with my original question:

When discussing matter-antimatter pairs, the energy released by the annihilation event is proportional to the mass. But what permits this between antimatter-matter pairs? Why is this not ordinarily observed for any two massive particles (e.g. an electron and another electron)? Is there a force carrier associated with annihilation events and a field where this energy is stored before the annihilation/releasing a photon (or other possible products depending on the total mass/energy)?
 
TheCanadian said:
Why is this not ordinarily observed for any two massive particles (e.g. an electron and another electron)?
That interaction would violate several conservation laws, including charge and lepton number.

A particle/antiparticle interaction is pretty much the only annihilation that is guaranteed not to violate any conservation laws.
 
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Nugatory said:
That interaction would violate several conservation laws, including charge and lepton number.

A particle/antiparticle interaction is pretty much the only annihilation that is guaranteed not to violate any conservation laws.

Fair enough, and that's very cool. I suppose the concept is still a bit unformed in my head. Maybe more examples will help:

If one could hypothetically construct a particle that has all of the same properties as a positron (e.g. charge, lepton number) except for mass, would it still be able to annihilate with an electron? Is gravity/gravitons predicted to influence annihilation in current theoretical frameworks?
 
TheCanadian said:
If one could hypothetically construct a particle that has all of the same properties as a positron (e.g. charge, lepton number) except for mass, would it still be able to annihilate with an electron?

This is not a hypothetical; it's actually realizable, and the answer is no. There are three "families" of leptons in the Standard Model: the electron family, the muon family, and the tau family. (Each family contains a charged lepton and its antiparticle, and an uncharged lepton and its antiparticle; in the electron family these are the electron/positron and the electron neutrino/antineutrino.) Each lepton can only annihilate with its own antiparticle, the one in the same family and with opposite charge. The neutrinos (electron, muon, and tau, each with its own antiparticle) are particularly interesting in this regard, since they have no conserved charges other than lepton number.

The underlying reason for all this is that, in quantum field theory, particles and antiparticles are not just two separate things that happen to be opposites in all conserved charges. They are states of the same underlying quantum field. (The technical term is that they are CPT conjugates of each other.) The process we have been describing as "annihilation", from the viewpoint of QFT, is just a difference in the state of the quantum field between one region of spacetime and another.
 
PeterDonis said:
This is not a hypothetical; it's actually realizable, and the answer is no. There are three "families" of leptons in the Standard Model: the electron family, the muon family, and the tau family. (Each family contains a charged lepton and its antiparticle, and an uncharged lepton and its antiparticle; in the electron family these are the electron/positron and the electron neutrino/antineutrino.) Each lepton can only annihilate with its own antiparticle, the one in the same family and with opposite charge. The neutrinos (electron, muon, and tau, each with its own antiparticle) are particularly interesting in this regard, since they have no conserved charges other than lepton number.

The underlying reason for all this is that, in quantum field theory, particles and antiparticles are not just two separate things that happen to be opposites in all conserved charges. They are states of the same underlying quantum field. (The technical term is that they are CPT conjugates of each other.) The process we have been describing as "annihilation", from the viewpoint of QFT, is just a difference in the state of the quantum field between one region of spacetime and another.

Well that's fascinating. It seems like fairly standard QFT, but do you have any particular resources/texts you would suggest for this topic (and perhaps QFT more generally)?
 
TheCanadian said:
Well that's fascinating. It seems like fairly standard QFT, but do you have any particular resources/texts you would suggest for this topic (and perhaps QFT more generally)?

First what's your level of standard QM?

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
First what's your level of stnadard QM?

Thanks
Bill

I've taken standard QMI and QMII and a graduate QM course for selected topics (e.g. entanglement, identical particles, classical to quantized EM fields, perturbation techniques), but haven't yet studied group theory, Feynman diagrams, or delved into QCD.
 
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That's good enough - here are the two books I would recommend to start with:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0984513957/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/019969933X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Then - Schwartz:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1107034736/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Then THE book on QFT that IMHO is simply the best - Weinberg:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521670535/?tag=pfamazon01-20

QFT is one of those areas you should build up to and not tackle the best ie Weinberg - straight away. Take your time - its not a race.

Thanks
Bill
 
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