Understanding the core idea behind determinants

In summary: I am still a bit lost as to how to define it.We saw the diagonals procedure in Calc III (my linear algebra was self-taught). I found it a royal pain in the ass to apply. Only when I learned the geometric interpretation did it make sense.I don't really recall what we did in Calc III for determinant computation. I don't think it was the diagonal procedure, but I don't remember what it was (I have my Calc III books at home).In summary, for all n by n square matrices, the determinant can be defined by forming all possible products taking one number from each row and column in the matrix, multiplying by 1 or -1 depending on the permutation, and adding them all
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O.J.
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I'm really putting some effort into understanding the core idea behind determinants. For a 2x2 matrix, I obviously saw how to derive the formula for the determinant (using AA^-1=I). The question is, how did they define the |A| for higher order matrices? I'm reading a textbook on linear algebra and it uses permutations in its definition of the determinant? What was the motivation for such a definition? How did they know that such a definition can be applied to all nxn matrices?
 
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The most fundamental definition- for all n by n square matrices is this: form all possible products [itex]a_{1i_1}a_{2i_2}\cdot\cdot\cdot a_{ni_n}[/itex] taking exactly one number from each row and column in the matrix: there are exactly n! such products. Since no row or column is duplicated, each [itex]i_1, i_2, \cdot\cdot\cdot, i_n[/itex] is a permutation of [itex]1, 2, \cdot\cdot\cdot, n[/itex]. Multiply each product by 1 or -1 depending on whether the permutation is even or odd. Add them all together. I suspect that is the definition that "uses permutations" that your book gives. As to the motivation, it was a lot like other such general definitions. People working with systems of 2 or 3 equations saw that such numbers could be used to write general solutions (Cayley's formula for example), found some formal way of writing that worked for both 2 by 2 and 3 by 3 systems and extended it to n by n. As for "How did they know that such a definition can be applied to all nxn matrices?" the whole point is that obviously we can do that for all n by n matrices. If you are asking "how did they know that such a determinant would solve n equations in n unknowns?" it is really based on how the determinant of a matrix is related to the inverse of the matrix.
 
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if you solve a general system of n linear equations in n unknowns, the determinant is the denominator of all the solutions.
 
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Mathwonk... could you provide an example please?
And ivy.. I know they can use it to DO all nxn matrices, question is: How did they ARRIVE at such a definition that can solve all nxn matrices...
 
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O.J. said:
Mathwonk... could you provide an example please?
And ivy.. I know they can use it to DO all nxn matrices, question is: How did they ARRIVE at such a definition that can solve all nxn matrices...

Go ahead and write out a system of 2 equations in 2 unknowns and a system of three equations in 3 unknowns and solve them symbolically (no numbers, just use coefficients a11, a12, etc.) using methods that do not involve determinants. You'll see the solutions all have the same denominator. Try to find the pattern.
 
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Why don't they explain this in our math texts? Are there books that are dedicated to explaining such things?
 
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perhaps you are reading the wrong texts. consult my thread "who wants to be a mathematician" for book recommendations, in the first 40 or so posts,

e.g. courant, differential and integral calculus, vol. 2, pages 24-25. on determinants.
 
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If you consider the columns (or rows) of an nxn matrix to be n-dimensional vectors, then the determinant of the matrix gives the "signed volume" of the n-dimensional parallelepiped defined by those vectors. In a sense, then, it gives the "magnitude" of the matrix, multiplied by a sign that indicates whether the orientation of the vectors is "right-handed" or "left-handed" with respect to the underlying coordinate system.

If anyone of the vectors lies in the same (n-1)-dimensional space spanned by the remaining (n-1) vectors, then the whole parallelepiped is "squashed" to zero volume (consider the three-dimensional case, where you have three vectors all lying in the same plane). A matrix composed of such vectors, then, represents a degenerate system of equations, where the equations are not all independent (and thus, permit infinitely many solutions). One can consider the matrix equation

[tex]\mathbf{AX} = \mathbf{B}[/tex]

as a single, abstract entity, with the solution

[tex]\mathbf{X} = \mathbf{A^{-1}B}[/tex]

In this case, the determinant of A can again be regarded as a sort of "magnitude". If it is zero, then there are infinitely many X which solve the equation, in an analogous sense to solving the one-dimensional equation

[tex]0x = b[/tex]

Furthermore, the expression

[tex]\mathbf{A^{-1}B}[/tex]

yields Cramer's Rule when written out in terms of [itex]\det \mathbf{A}[/itex] and the cofactors of A.
 
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cramers rule is a more detaield way of saying ther denominator of a solution is the determinant. i.e. it also gives the numerators.
 
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To quote Vladimir Arnold,

"The determinant of a matrix is an (oriented) volume of the parallelepiped whose edges are its columns. If the students are told this secret (which is carefully hidden in the purified algebraic education), then the whole theory of determinants becomes a clear chapter of the theory of poly-linear forms. If determinants are defined otherwise, then any sensible person will forever hate all the determinants, Jacobians and the implicit function theorem."


Given this geometric interpretation, it makes sense that permutations are related to determinants: permuting two column vectors in a matrix is just changing the order in which you are writing the list of column vectors spanning the parallelapiped.
 
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Quite true, that. I absolutely hated determinants until I realized the geometric meaning of them. Until then, they were just pointless tedium, and my disinterest certainly hindered my understanding of linear algebra.

I blame this partly on the fact that determinants are often taught using a procedure on 3x3 matrices that does not generalize to higher-order matrices (i.e., the "diagonals" procedure). Students learn a cookie-cutter shortcut, without being taught what they are actually calculating (what else is new?).
 
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How long ago was this? Calculation of determinants are now (and for at least 30 years in my experience) taught using "expansion by rows" or "row reduction" both of which extend immediately to higher dimensions.
 
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I'm currently in the middle of a year long vector calc + linear algebra class, and we saw the diagonals procedure. We have not defined n by n determinants yet, though I think our book defines it axiomatically (the unique multilinear map with some list of properties).
 
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You can learn the theory on determinants in an hour or so. The two most useful properties of the determinant are:

det(AB) = det(A) det(B),

det[exp(A)] = exp[Tr(A)]

If you are done studying the elementary stuff, you should http://arxiv.org/abs/math/9902004" :smile:
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgson_condensation" :cool:
 
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Probably apocryphal story: Queen Victoria so enjoyed the "Alice" books that she invited Louis Carrol (aka the Reverend Charles Dodgson) to court and requested that he send her a copy of his next book. He did- a treatise on matrices including the method for calculating determinants cited above.
 
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Count Iblis said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgson_condensation" :cool:

cool :D
 
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O.J. said:
Why don't they explain this in our math texts? Are there books that are dedicated to explaining such things?

Take a look at Borwein and Borowski's Dictionary of Mathematics. It is nicely
written in that sense, i.e, many of the definitions are made within a context.
I never leave home without it. Try also looking at some of Ian Stewart's books,
which I think do a nice job in the same respect. I think Stewart treads well the
line in writing popular books in mathematics and his writing is neither too technical
nor oversimplified for the most part.
 

What are determinants?

Determinants are mathematical values that can be used to solve systems of equations, find the area and volume of shapes, and determine if a matrix has an inverse. They are typically represented by a vertical bar surrounding a matrix.

Why are determinants important?

Determinants provide important information about linear transformations and their effect on vector spaces. They also play a crucial role in solving systems of equations and finding the inverse of a matrix.

How do you calculate determinants?

For a 2x2 matrix, the determinant is calculated by multiplying the top left element by the bottom right element and subtracting the product of the top right and bottom left elements. For larger matrices, there are various methods such as the cofactor expansion or using row operations.

What is the significance of a determinant being zero?

If the determinant of a matrix is zero, it means that the matrix is not invertible and does not have a unique solution. This can also indicate that the matrix has linearly dependent rows or columns.

What are some real-world applications of determinants?

Determinants have various applications in fields such as physics, economics, and engineering. In physics, they are used to solve systems of differential equations. In economics, they are used to analyze supply and demand relationships. In engineering, they are used in structural analysis and optimization problems.

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