Understanding the Deterministic Evolution of Wave Functions in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion centers on the deterministic evolution of wave functions in quantum mechanics (QM), exploring the foundational assumptions that lead to this determinism and the historical context of these ideas. Participants examine the implications of mathematical theorems and the relationship between quantum mechanics and classical mechanics.

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  • One participant asserts that the deterministic evolution of the wave function in an isolated system is a postulate of QM, questioning the rationale behind this assumption.
  • Another participant explains that the determinism arises from the continuity of the time operator, which is linked to Wigner's Theorem and Stone's Theorem, suggesting that the energy operator determines the time operator, thus leading to deterministic evolution.
  • A question is raised about whether the initial assumption of determinism was based on mathematical reasoning or an intuitive understanding of nature.
  • A response indicates that early views on determinism were influenced by Schrödinger's equation, which implies determinism, and acknowledges the complex mathematical foundations developed by various theorists over time.
  • One participant notes that the mathematical complexity involved in these foundations is often not presented clearly, suggesting that it may be challenging for some to grasp.

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Participants express differing views on the origins of the assumption of determinism in QM, with some emphasizing mathematical foundations while others inquire about the intuitive aspects. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the mathematics involved in the foundations of QM, which may limit understanding and clarity in discussions about determinism.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the philosophical implications of determinism and the mathematical foundations of the theory.

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One of the postulates of QM is that if the system is isolated from external interaction
that its wave function will evolve deterministically. So just the measurements of observables are not deterministic. What is our reason for assuming that the wave function will evolve deterministically?
 
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It's from the assumption that the time operator that transforms the vector space to another vector space is continuous. With that assumption, and Wigners Theorem, it turns out the time operator must be a linear unitary operator hence transforms Linear Observables to other linear Observables. Because of this and Stones Theorem the time operator has a generator that uniquely determines it and by definition is the energy of the system. Thus knowledge of energy operator uniquely determines the time operator so is deterministic. And it can be proven from the assumption of Galilaen invariance the Energy operator has the form standard to classical mechanics - where it is called the Hamiltonian -you will find a proof of this in Ballentine - QM A Modern Development Chapter 3. So basically determinism follows from the very reasonable assumption of continuity.

In applying it, it is assumed, again quite reasonably considering the theorem proved in Ballentine and the expectation of an operator goes over to the classical system equation, the Hamiltonian of the system you are quantising, is the same as the classical version.

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Bill
 
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ok thanks for your response. You said it follows from continuity. When they first thought of this, was it viewed as more of a math fact or did they have intuition and they thought this is how nature worked.
 
When they first thought of this the foundations were a mish mash and Schrodengers equation was assumed which implies determinism. Since then much work has been done on the foundations by people such as Wigner, Stone, Von Neumann and others and the view now is what I basically posted.

The reason it is not usually presented that way is it involves what mathematicians call decidedly non trivial mathematics (euphemism for difficult for guys like you and me to unserstand). However if you want to work through the detail the following is a good place to start:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387493859/?tag=pfamazon01-20

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Bill
 
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