Understanding the English Engineering System: Lbm and Lbf Conversion

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The discussion revolves around the English Engineering system, specifically focusing on the conversion between mass (lbm) and force (lbf). Participants explore the nuances of these conversions and the implications of gravitational constants in calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the conversion process between lbm and lbf, questioning the role of gravitational constants. Other participants provide insights into the distinction between mass and weight in the English system, highlighting the importance of using consistent units.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing clarifications and additional context about the English Engineering system. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the definitions of mass and force, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the best approach to conversions.

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There is mention of different systems within the British measurement framework, which may lead to confusion regarding the terms used for mass and force. The discussion reflects the need for clarity in terminology and consistent application of units in calculations.

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This is the most refined concept I could make by reading wikipedia. Our thermodynamics' teacher today introduced us to the 'real' English Engineering system.

My confusion was that like we know if we want to find the weight of a 51 kg person we would simply multiply it with 10(approx) and get 510 N.If we have 51 lbm and want to convert it into lbf then we can't simply multiply it with 32.2(approx) and get the answer but we will also have to take that 'g subscript c' into account which is also 32.2 and so these two 32.2s cancel out and we get 51lbf.

Am I right?
 
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You are correct. Just remember in the English system, the direct correlation to the kg is NOT the Lbm. It is the slug. In that case you don't have to worry about Gc.

Take a look here and notice the table at the top of the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slug_(mass )
 
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Thanks a lot.
 
There are actually two "British systems".
1. A body with a mass of 1 slug weighs 32 pounds.
2. A body with a mass of 1 pound weighs 32 poundals.
Of course, you have to stick with one or the other throughout a calculation.
So "pound" can mean either "mass" or "force", depending on the system.
One of these systems (I think the poundal) was called the "engineering" system.
In any event, colloquially, if an American "weighs" 220 pounds, his European twin
"weighs" 100 kilo, even if some terms are used incorrectly.
 
Got it. Thanks
 

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