Deriving the gravitational constant factor for lbf

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the gravitational constant factor for converting force units from the English Engineering System, specifically focusing on the conversion between lbf and lbm under varying acceleration conditions. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical reasoning related to unit conversions in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the conversion factor for force in lbf when acceleration differs from 32 ft/sec², seeking steps to understand the units involved.
  • Another participant states that the English Engineering System is inconsistent and suggests that deriving the conversion factor from first principles may not be feasible.
  • A different participant proposes that starting from SI units and knowing the relevant conversion factors could lead to the desired derivation.
  • One participant notes that the conversion factor is historically linked to the acceleration of gravity, indicating its significance in the gravitational system of units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the conversion factor can be derived from first principles, with some suggesting it is not possible while others propose alternative approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the consistency of the unit system and the historical context of the gravitational conversion factor, which may affect the understanding of the derivation process.

ankh
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I have never had to use the English Engineering System so I am having a bit of a struggle here.

I understand the concept of an inconsistent system of units. I understand the following 2 statements:
1lbf = 1lbm x 32 ft/sec^2
1lbf = 1slug x 1 ft/sec^2

When given a problem that is asking for the force answer in lbf for an object that is being accelerated at something different than 32 ft/sec^2, i understand why i need to divide the answer by 32 to get the answer in lbf. However, i am stuck in trying to derive the units required for this conversion factor. I can follow why the conversion units are (lbm-ft/lbf-sec^2) once i cancel all the units, but I can not derive those units on my own for some reason. Can someone help out with the steps for figuring out the conversion units? How do you get to lbm-ft/lbf-sec^2 if it was my first time trying to discover a conversion factor?
 
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It is an inconsistent set of units. I don't think that you can derive the conversion factor from first principles.
 
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You could do it starting from SI units if you know each of those conversion factors.
 
ankh said:
Can someone help out with the steps for figuring out the conversion units? How do you get to lbm-ft/lbf-sec^2 if it was my first time trying to discover a conversion factor?
For historical reasons, the conversion factor is the acceleration of gravity. That is why it is considered a "gravitational" system of units.
 

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