Understanding the Function of Set S in Discrete Mathematics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role and purpose of the set S in the context of functions in discrete mathematics. Participants explore the implications of defining the image of a subset under a function and the broader significance of such definitions in mathematical structures.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the purpose of set S, suggesting it serves merely as a subset of A with corresponding images in B.
  • Another participant argues that S provides an object for the definition to apply to, implying that without S, the definition lacks context.
  • A different perspective compares the definition of f(S) to defining a function g(x)=x², questioning the necessity of the variable x in that context.
  • Further inquiries are made about the purpose of the function f and the sets A and B, indicating a broader exploration of foundational concepts in mathematics.
  • One participant introduces the idea that in advanced mathematics, the preservation of structures by functions is significant, suggesting that terminology around the image of a set is useful for discussing these properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and purpose of set S, with no consensus reached on its significance beyond the definition provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of defining functions and sets.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a lack of clarity regarding the foundational roles of sets and functions, as well as the assumptions underlying their definitions. Participants do not resolve these ambiguities.

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Hey guys,

I was reading Kenneth's Discrete Mathematics and I came across this definition in the function chapter:

Let f be a function from A to B and let S be a subset of A.The image of S under the function f is the subset of B that consists of the images of the elements of S.We denote the image of S by f(S), so f(S) = {t | ∃s∈S (t = f(s))}.
We also use the shorthand {f(s) | s ∈ S} to denote this set.

My questions is:
1) What is the purpose of set S?

From my understanding, S is just a subset of A which has corresponding image for each element of S?
 
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1) What is the purpose of set S?
To provide for an object that the definition can be applied to.
As written it has no purpose outside of the definition.

From my understanding, S is just a subset of A which has corresponding image for each element of S?
... the definition is for what is meant by the image of S. The image of S under f is T, which is the subset of B with elements t=f(s).
 
The definition defines f(S) for all S such that S⊆A. Compare this to how you can define a function g by g(x)=x2 for all real numbers x. What is the purpose of the real number x? That would be a strange question, since we haven't defined a number x. We have only defined a function g.
 
What is the purpose of f? Or the sets A and B?
 
PeroK said:
What is the purpose of f? Or the sets A and B?

In more advanced mathematics there are lots of questions that deal with whether certain kinds of functions preserve certain kinds of structures. For example, does a linear tranformation map a vector space to a vector space? The structures are usually some kind of set or subset that has special properties. Hence it's convenient to have terminology for the image of a set by a function.
 

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