Understanding the Odd and Even Nature of sin(x^3)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on determining whether the function sin(x^3) is odd or even, exploring the definitions and properties of odd and even functions. Participants consider the implications of function composition and the role of definitions versus graphical understanding in identifying function characteristics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that a function is odd if f(-x) = -f(x) and even if f(-x) = f(x).
  • There is a suggestion that sin(x^3) could be confused with (sin(x))^3, prompting further clarification.
  • One participant discusses the composition of odd functions, noting that the composition of two odd functions is odd, while the composition of an odd function and an even function results in an even function.
  • Another participant expresses surprise at the ease of understanding the oddness of sin(x^3) when using the definitions directly.
  • A participant provides a step-by-step verification that sin(x^3) is indeed an odd function, following the definitions.
  • There is a mention of the importance of definitions versus graphical methods in recognizing odd and even functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of odd and even functions and the conclusion that sin(x^3) is odd. However, there is some debate regarding the reliance on graphical methods versus definitions for understanding these properties.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding based on graphical interpretations, suggesting that definitions may be overlooked in favor of visual reasoning.

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Determination of a functon for being odd or even
Hello, would you please explain how to determine if sin ##x^3## is odd or even? Is there anyway to understand it without drawing the graph?

Thank you.
 
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A function is odd if f(-x) = -f(x) and even if f(-x) = f(x). So what do you think of sin(x^3)? Or did you mean (sin(x))^3?
 
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phyzguy said:
A function is odd if f(-x) = -f(x) and even if f(-x) = f(x). So what do you think of sin(x^3)? Or did you mean (sin(x))^3?

Thanks. I just could not have seen this so easily. Now I got it.
 
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mech-eng said:
Thanks. I just could not have seen this so easily. Now I got it.

It's interesting. If someone had asked me if a composition of two odd functions is odd or even I might have guessed even. But, if ##f## and ##g## are both odd, then:

##f(g(-x)) = f(-g(x)) = - f(g(x))##

Hence ##f \circ g## is odd. I guess it's like multiplying two odd numbers.

Also, what if we have an odd function and an even function. E.g. if ##g## is even and ##f## is odd:

##f(g(-x)) = f(g(x))##

Hence ##f \circ g## is even.

And, it's the same if you have any number of odd functions and one even function. A single even function kills all the oddness! The same as multiplication.
 
PeroK said:
It's interesting. If someone had asked me if a composition of two odd functions is odd or even I might have guessed even. But, if ##f## and ##g## are both odd, then:

##f(g(-x)) = f(-g(x)) = - f(g(x))##

Hence ##f \circ g## is odd. I guess it's like multiplying two odd numbers.

Also, what if we have an odd function and an even function. E.g. if ##g## is even and ##f## is odd:

##f(g(-x)) = f(g(x))##

Hence ##f \circ g## is even.

And, it's the same if you have any number of odd functions and one even function. A single even function kills all the oddness! The same as multiplication.
##f\circ g## is even regardless of whether ##f## is even, odd, or neither.

Edit: Question for someone who knows more about math than me: would the even functions be considered an ideal under composition?
 
phyzguy said:
A function is odd if f(-x) = -f(x) and even if f(-x) = f(x).

mech-eng said:
I just could not have seen this so easily.
Why is that? phyzguy is just using the definitions of odd and even, the first things you should be looking for.
 
-f(-x)
= -sin( (-x)^3)
= -sin( (-x) (-x) (-x) )
= -sin( - x^3) < - sin () is odd
= - ( - sin ( +x^3))
= sin ( x^3)
= f(x)
= +f(+x)

The function is odd.
 
Mark44 said:
Why is that? phyzguy is just using the definitions of odd and even, the first things you should be looking for.

Because I focused on graph or geometry to recognize them.
 
mech-eng said:
Because I focused on graph or geometry to recognize them.
But you should also keep the definition in mind...
 
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