Understanding the proof of Goldstone theorem

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Goldstone's theorem as presented in the Aitchinson-Hay book, focusing on the implications of continuous symmetries in quantum field theory. Participants explore the conditions under which the vacuum expectation value of the Noether current leads to the existence of massless particles, particularly in the context of spontaneous symmetry breaking.

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  • One participant questions the treatment of the vacuum state ##|0\rangle## in relation to massive states, expressing confusion about why it is considered special and how it contributes to the proof.
  • Another participant clarifies that the vacuum state itself is defined to have zero energy, and thus does not contribute to the sum over states, which is taken to be over excited states ##|n\rangle## with ##n \neq 0##.
  • It is noted that for the sum to be non-zero and time-independent, there must exist excited states with zero mass, leading to the conclusion that these are the Goldstone modes associated with the broken symmetry.
  • Participants discuss the significance of the condition ##\langle n | J | 0 \rangle \neq 0##, indicating that if this were zero for all states, the symmetry would not be spontaneously broken, contradicting the premise of the theorem.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the vacuum state and the implications of the Goldstone theorem, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific conditions and implications of the matrix elements involved in the proof.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of certain mathematical conditions and the role of the vacuum state in the derivation of Goldstone's theorem, highlighting the complexity of the concepts involved.

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I was reviewing the proof of Goldstone theorem in Aitchinson-Hay book, vol 2, and I do not understand it. It starts by saying that there is some continues symmetry
$$Q=\int \mathrm d^3 x\, J_0 (x)$$
where ##J_\mu## is the Noether current. Then one considers the expectation value ##\langle 0|[Q,\phi(0)]|0\rangle\neq 0 ##. Using the conservation of the current ##\partial^\mu J_\mu =0## and integrating one can show that

$$
\sum_n (2\pi)^3 \delta(\mathbf p_n)\left(\langle 0 |J_0(0)|n\rangle \langle n|\phi(0)|0\rangle e^{-\mathrm i p_{n0}x_0} -\langle 0 |\phi(0)|n\rangle \langle n|J_0(\mathbf x)|0\rangle e^{\mathrm i p_{n0} x_0}\right)\neq0\tag{17.67}
$$
where the sum is over eigenstates ##|n\rangle## and this calculation is shown to be also independent of ##x_0##. Then the book says:

But this expression is independent of ##x_0##. Massive states ##|n\rangle## will produce explicit ##x_0##-dependent factors ##e^{i M_n x_0}## (##p_{n0}\to M_n##, as the ##\delta##-function constrains ##\mathbf p_n=0##); hence, the matrix elements of ##J_0## between ##|0\rangle## and such a massive state must vanish, and such states contribute zero to (17.67). Equally, if we take ##|n\rangle=|0\rangle##, (17.67) vanishes identically.

I do not get the ##|n=0\rangle## case, if it is massive we have the same issue as with the massive ##|n\rangle## , so it has to vanish. But the expression only vanishes identically if it is not massive. I don't get it.

But it has been assumed to be not zero. Hence, some state or states must exist among ##|n\rangle## such that ##\langle 0|J_0|n\rangle\neq 0## and yet (17.67) is independent of ##x_0##. The only possibility is states whose energy ##p_{n0}## goes to zero as their 3-momentum does (from ##\delta(\mathbf p_{n})##). Such states are, of course, massless: they are called generically Goldstone modes. Thus, the existence of a non-vanishing vacuum expectation value for a field, in a theory with a continuous symmetry, appears to lead inevitably to the necessity of having a massless particle, or particles, in the theory.

Can somebody help me understand what is going on? What is zero and what is not? What is so special of the ##|0\rangle## case?
 
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The "mass" is a property of an excitation (particle or quasiparticle) around the vacuum. The vacuum ##|n=0\rangle## itself is neither massive nor massless, that's what makes ##n=0## special. In fact, the energy of the vacuum is defined as zero, ##p_{00}=0##. (If it was not defined so, then the vacuum state would be time dependent in the Schrödinger picture, so the vacuum would not be time-translation invariant.) When we talk of a massive or massless state, we always assume a state with ##n\neq 0##.

Since ##p_{00}=0##, the ##n=0## does not contribute to the sum, so we can take the sum to be taken over states with ##n\neq 0##. How can this sum be time-independent and yet non-zero? It's only possible if ##p_{n0}=0## for some ##n\neq 0##. Since ##{\bf p}_n=0## (due to the ##\delta##-function) we have ##p_{n0}=M_n##, so there must be some excited states ##n\neq 0## with ##M_n=0##. That's the Goldstone theorem.
 
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Demystifier said:
The "mass" is a property of an excitation (particle or quasiparticle) around the vacuum. The vacuum ##|n=0\rangle## itself is neither massive nor massless, that's what makes ##n=0## special. In fact, the energy of the vacuum is defined as zero, ##p_{00}=0##.
Thank you I was missing that.


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(If it was not defined so, then the vacuum state would be time dependent in the Schrödinger picture, so the vacuum would not be time-translation invariant.) When we talk of a massive or massless state, we always assume a state with ##n\neq 0##.

Since ##p_{00}=0##, the ##n=0## does not contribute to the sum, so we can take the sum to be taken over states with ##n\neq 0##. How can this sum be time-independent and yet non-zero? It's only possible if ##p_{n0}=0## for some ##n\neq 0##. Since ##{\bf p}_n=0## (due to the ##\delta##-function) we have ##p_{n0}=M_n##, so there must be some excited states ##n\neq 0## with ##M_n=0##. That's the Goldstone theorem.
But what is this condition of that $$\langle n | J |0\rangle\neq 0$$ why is it important in this derivation?
 
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But what is this condition of that $$\langle n | J |0\rangle\neq 0$$ why is it important in this derivation?
If it was zero for all ##n##, then the entire sum would be zero, so the symmetry would not be (spontaneously) broken. The Goldstone theorem says that massless excitations appear when the symmetry is broken.
 
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If it was zero for all ##n##, then the entire sum would be zero, so the symmetry would not be (spontaneously) broken. The Goldstone theorem says that massless excitations appear when the symmetry is broken.
Gotcha, I think I was looking at it as if it was more mysterious than what it is. Thanks
 
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