Understanding the Relationship between Bulk Modulus Equations

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the equations for bulk modulus presented in Halliday, Resnick, and Walker's "Fundamentals of Physics." Equation 1 defines bulk modulus as B = -Δp/(ΔV/V), while Equation 2 relates pressure to bulk modulus and volume change as p = B(ΔV/V). Participants express concern that these equations seem to conflate pressure with change in pressure, leading to misunderstandings. An older edition of the book clarifies that "p" represents the change from undisturbed pressure, not a redefinition of bulk modulus. The conversation highlights the importance of precise definitions in physics to avoid confusion.
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I'm sorry if this should be obvious to me, but it's not.

My book provides this equation for the bulk modulus:

Equation 1:
B = -\frac{\Delta p}{\Delta V / V}

It says, by way of explanation, that it follows from a relationship they gave earlier:

Equation 2:
p = B \frac{\Delta V}{V}

(where p is the pressure, B is the bulk modulus, and V represents volume.)

However, Equation 1 is easily rearranged into:

Equation 3:
B \frac{\Delta V}{V} = - \Delta p

Comparing equation 2 and 3 suggests:

Equation 4:
p = - \Delta p

Which is, as far as I can tell, complete nonsense.

Are equation 1 and 2 really equivalent statements? If so, how?
 
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Zorodius said:
Equation 1:
B = -\frac{\Delta p}{\Delta V / V}
This is the definition of the Bulk modulus. (The minus sign is just to make B positive: an increase in pressure usually creates a decrease in volume.)
It says, by way of explanation, that it follows from a relationship they gave earlier:

Equation 2:
p = B \frac{\Delta V}{V}
This makes no sense to me. As you point out, it seems they are confusing pressure with change in pressure. What book is this?
 
Thanks a lot for the reply, I'm glad to know I'm not totally crazy yet.

Doc Al said:
This makes no sense to me. As you point out, it seems they are confusing pressure with change in pressure. What book is this?
Halliday, Resnick, and Walker, "Fundamentals of Physics", extended sixth edition. The erroneous definition of bulk modulus appears on page 286, in chapter 13.

Between this and other gems like "all friction is caused by cold welding" and "an element of a string oscillating in a transverse wave has maximum elastic potential energy at zero displacement" (both paraphrased, but exactly what the book claims), I'm about ready to conduct an experiment in inelastic collisions between this book and the garbage can :wink:
 
Have you been able to locate an authentic errata which confirms this? Otherwise, the publishers should know about this. I suggest you refer to the older physics book by Resnick and Halliday (published sometime in the 60s)...volume 1 (the chapter on sound) and compare it with this edition's treatment. I think you might like the older one a shade better.

Cheers
Vivek
 
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Zorodius said:
Halliday, Resnick, and Walker, "Fundamentals of Physics", extended sixth edition. The erroneous definition of bulk modulus appears on page 286, in chapter 13.
It just so happens that I found an ancient edition (1966) sitting right here on the shelf. In the section that seems to correspond to what you are talking about, H&R say:
H&R said:
... so we now let p represent the change from the undisturbed pressure p_0. Then p replaces \Delta p, and ...
They aren't redefining the bulk modulus; they are just using "p" to represent the change from the undisturbed pressure p_0. Make sense?
 
Great Doc!
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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